Disussion of shithead implication

Post reference #37375.

We can discuss how to do the parent-child implications for the shithead tag. We can start by first discussing what constitutes a shithead... obviously the whole "deibu/bawiza" routine is shithead, but I'm not so certain rapists would be a "shithead". Rather it would be more situation.

Example, the raper-raper Marisa or the tentacle alice.

Woah woah, easy. Regardless of whatever people feel about the status of yukkuris being 'shithead', there's no denying it's being used as a tag and to identify specific material. And that's what we're discussing here. Watch it with the 'controversial' statements.

The way I've always thought of shithead has been similar to poweryoga's- Deibu/Bawiza/Badchouli etc. counts as shithead, but I would not count rapers. Shithead generally has a number of specific characteristics, very different to that of, again, rapists (although rape is a deciding factor). I see it as more of a general -> specific tag (e.g. shithead --> deibu).

Now that you put it like that poweryoga, now i see why not to apply the rapist = shithead always, since i forgot that sometimes non "shithead tier" yukkuris can still be rapists. Gotta Blame the Rapist Alices, who clearly are shitheads in general, for that.

I wonder if we should start labelling rapist alices as Awizes to point the difference of an average rapist yukkuri and an "Rapist Alice" ?

A shithead should be defined as a yukkuri that is overly selfish and insulting of others. There are some automatic signals that a yukkuri is a shithead, such as telling someone else to "fork over the sweet-sweets" or any other showing of undue authority. Other actions, such as bullying and fighting when unprovoked, also indicate shithead status.

Rapist and shithead are qualitatively different categories that indicate two different sorts of behaviors. Rapists rape and shitheads are rude.

And when a "deibu" or "bawiza" tag is applied the "shithead" tag should be automatically added.

Or, a better solution would be to eliminate the individual shithead tags like "deibu" and "bawiza" and if people want to find those posts they can just combine "shithead" with "reimu" or "marisa" or any other yukkuri that might be drawn as a shithead in the future. Why make things cluttered with yukkuri-specific tags?

Part of the problem is that we have people creating tags that don't understand how to create efficient tagging systems. The "deibu", "bawiza", and "batchouli" tags are what I mean. There are others also, like "gonna_cut_you_bitch". The same results can be found with "knife" or to be more specific "knife" plus "danger" or "violence".

We went from 'WHAT is a shithead?' to 'HE is a shithead'. So... returning to the original topic. Why don't we leave just one tag that describes it? Like.... Deibu-ish?

Just my thoughts on the term: what differentiates a "shithead" from an "average" yukkuri is all about the attitude they project. All yukkuri want to "take it easy". A shithead believes that they DESERVE to take it easy, especially at the cost of others. We see them be insulting, look down on others, and actively resort to violence for these reasons, but it's not just the actions but their attitude that make them shitheaded.

So, to me, there can be a "shitheaded" rapists. But it really is a different category because a rapist is described based on their actions/intended actions regardless of attitude.

I agree with Sun's points, with one slight modification:

I think the "name modifications" for shitheads (deibu, bawiza, badchoulli, etc) are largely redundant if there's a shithead tag, except in the case where, as an example, say you're searching for a shithead marisa. If you searched "shithead marisa", you'll get a ton of results that are pictures that contain marisa types that may or may not be the shithead in question. However, outside of the term "Deibu", I've yet to see enough consistency for other types to name them consistently.

I don't know whether others like this idea, but what if we tag as shithead_yukkuritype? A general search for shitheads can be done easily through shithead*, and if anyone was looking for specific type shitheads, it would be pretty intuitive.

I would also like to mention something since we mentioned a lot the whole Shithead and Rapist thing.

I think that maybe for situations on which a blatlant shithead is raping something, it's better to use "Shithead" and "Rape" instead of going "Shithead" "Rapist" and "Rape", to make it less redundant, let's leave Rapists for Yukkuris raping but not showing truly shithead features, as much we may consider them scum yukkuris but we know there are differences between shitheads and scums (same way there are differences between chaotic evil and lawful evil).

I am well aware of him being an instigator. This thread isn't about him, its about the tag. So I'm going to delete posts unrelated to the tag discussion. No offense to anybody.

edit:

So far I vote for Deibu/Bawizaish behavior. I'd think the "sage of the forest" type patchouli also qualify for the "shithead" tag as well.

However, for the little "human extermination" Reimu, she's certainly apologetic enough. I think the ko-Marisa being a "shithead" is no contest though. Chalk it to naivety or whatnot but still is a pretty "shithead" behavior.

poweryoga said:
However, for the little "human extermination" Reimu, she's certainly apologetic enough. I think the ko-Marisa being a "shithead" is no contest though. Chalk it to naivety or whatnot but still is a pretty "shithead" behavior.

I'm not sure, we could argue about if it's a good trait or not the whole "letting the stupid Human Extermination game take the best of her", but i honestly don't think the komarisa was a shithead, i actually don't think anybody after the translation believes so and as much our only grip is the so called game and how in "worse" yukkuris that game would bring out even more misbehaving form the yukkuris than what they already have.

In all seriousness i think komarisa and her mother as much, maybe neutral or scum with potential, those aren't tags, so no need for a special tagging for them.

Hmm, now i wonder if we should have a "nicehead" tag as a counterpart for "shithead" for those abuse stories on which there are good yukkuris and bad yukkuris.

JusticeItEasy said:
I'm not sure, we could argue about if it's a good trait or not the whole "letting the stupid Human Extermination game take the best of her", but i honestly don't think the komarisa was a shithead, i actually don't think anybody after the translation believes so and as much our only grip is the so called game and how in "worse" yukkuris that game would bring out even more misbehaving form the yukkuris than what they already have.

In all seriousness i think komarisa and her mother as much, maybe neutral or scum with potential, those aren't tags, so no need for a special tagging for them.

Hmm, now i wonder if we should have a "nicehead" tag as a counterpart for "shithead" for those abuse stories on which there are good yukkuris and bad yukkuris.

It's hard to say what's a nicehead. Are all those family_friendly pictures also niceheads or can you only tag it only when it "proves" itself? I think that's a bit too specific and not really needed since it'll become part of an argument of "what's nice enough to be a nicehead".

Anyway, I think we're getting a bit off topic. I'm just wondering if we should have an implication set for some existing tags, such as Deibu = Deibu + shithead.

Any thoughts on my suggestion? So instead of shithead and Deibu tags on one image, have instead just shithead_reimu? That way using the search system, you can find all the shitheads, or be more specific if you want?

I think that a nicehead tag would be too much. Kinda like having a hat tag on every pic with a marisa

Hourai said:
Any thoughts on my suggestion? So instead of shithead and Deibu tags on one image, have instead just shithead_reimu? That way using the search system, you can find all the shitheads, or be more specific if you want?

defining deibu as a shithead reimu (and thus including shithead when searching for such term) would work.

kurutto-kun said:
I think that a nicehead tag would be too much. Kinda like having a hat tag on every pic with a marisa

how about invisible tags; like tags that accompany other tags, but the user would be unable to see unless he or she specified? e.g. adding a marisa tag, would always add a 'hat' tag (unless the tagger refused it) for pictures in which the marisa didn't actually have a hat.

I don't think this is so much a debate about what constitutes a good/fitting tag, more so what needs to be improved/added in the danbooru platform.

Of course a hat tag wouldn't work for marisa types. She wears a witch_hat, so it should be tagged that way.

Hey, it works for Danbooru, why not?

poweryoga said:
I'm just wondering if we should have an implication set for some existing tags, such as Deibu = Deibu + shithead.

You mean so whenever Deibu is added, shithead is added automatically? I agree with that.

I agree, that a Deibu should also be tagged shithead, if we define Deibu as specifically a shitheaded Reimu. But we don't have a real standard for other shithead types, in terms of a naming convention. Bawiza is somewhat commonly accepted, but we're bound to get some other shithead types that haven't had a often seen nickname.

the wiki should be useful to explain and thereby justify tags, to ensure that we're all on the same page.

speaking of which, we don't have a shithead page. maybe I'll write it when I get time.

dexter said:
the wiki should be useful to explain and thereby justify tags, to ensure that we're all on the same page.

speaking of which, we don't have a shithead page. maybe I'll write it when I get time.

I already wrote a deibu page. Use that as a template.

Ok. Will implicate deibu with shithead.

Tea brings up a point in post #37730

We've been saying that Deibus (or any "named shithead type") are shitheads, which makes perfect sense. But there's that "deibu look" that was popularized for a while. What are the thoughts on that?