Totally agree. No more insults to authors.
Bottom right was the actual real version.
>>Bottom right was the actual real version.Don't you mean top right?
No, the top right is an edit. The bottom right is an actual comic.
I also think the bottom right is an actual comic.BTW, I'm 99% sure, the one to the left and a bit up of it is an edit made by the original author. (It's either that, or the author is being stalked by someone with really ultimate skill at imitating art styles)Plus, I find it amusing that the image saying "don't upload collage" is a collage itself.
But, turning back to the bigger issue, I mildly disagree with the thesis that making edits is a disrespect towards authors, or an insult to their vision of yukkuris.There's a saying "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", and making an edit like that is saying "I wish I could draw like that, but I can't so I'll just alter some bits (to make it fit my taste better)". To me, there's more than a hint of respect in that.Saying that an image doesn't fit my taste, is not an insult to the artist's vision, it's merely a manifestation of "there are as many visions of yukkuri as there are people".
To me, the biggest insult/disrespect, is when the edit is poorly done and unfunny. And well, that happens, but 90% of everything is shit, so yeah.If it's either funny of well done, it means they put their own effort into adapting it for the other audience.
^I'm afraid that these are only fine "to you"No permission, no respectWhen most artists consider it an insult, it isDo not forget that such foul edits have forced family-friendly artists to quit.
Is the recent shit edit fad considered disrespectful, too?
>>one to the left and a bit up of it is an edit made by the original authorThat one is an unauthorized edit (that version isn't on his pixiv, and a closer look shows it's not him). The one in the mid-right IS an edit by the artist himself (zattsu), for the purpose of creating shitstorms and trying to aim more hate at the violence-lovers.>>Is the recent shit edit fad considered disrespectful, too?The shit edits are a waste of bandwidth. Less disrespectful, I don't see a reason anyone would even take the time to looks at such shitty edits, let alone consider it enough to tag it a "fad".
>The one in the mid-right IS an edit by the artist himself (zattsu)That's the one I meant.
>shit editsyou mean the crapshoot translations?
I don't support editing at all. There's enough materials out there that you can create your own yukkuri stuff. If the edits were good quality, that's a different story but for the most part they are poorly done, easily identifiable and tasteless.
It's the equivalent of drawing mustaches or random cocknballs on someone else's art. Childish and immature, in short.
the real issue is, most people, including many artists, detest yukkuri violence. Editing others' non-violent images into shit violent ones is just disgusting.
Most people detest yukkuri violence? That has to be a joke, because most people love violence in general and selfish, smug yukkuries are the ideal targets for that pent-up rage and love for violence. Don't speak out of your own ass please.
^then please try posting a typical yukkuri violence image on a general touhou fan site, let them vote for it, you shall see"because most people love violence in general and selfish"-- best joke I've seen so far this year, it's just most people "here" (including me sometimes)"Don't speak out of your own ass please."--the same to you, dear fellow yukkurist
>>then please try posting a typical yukkuri violence image on a general touhou fan site, let them vote for it, you shall seeWould the negative reaction you seem to be hinting at be because Touhou fans in general hate yukkuri violence? Or because Touhou fans in general hate yukkuris?
I'd say the latter.
I say this because I hated yukkuris, thought the yukkuri fad was stupid and tried to ignore them when they showed up on pooshlmer. Then I saw Tennkoma's sadistic marisa feed a terrified reimu into a set buzzsaws.
I liked that.
The middle left one is a collage? Looked quite original.
^Yeah, I thought so, too, so I went to the artist's Pixiv page and the original comic only had the first three frames.
The issue was more confusing because I got to the Pixiv page from a link to a crying reimu being hung upside down from its hair, so it's not like violence was out of character for the artist.
Theodoric, I had almost the same exact experience as you. At first I pretended the fad didn't exist and ignored it; then I saw either the buzzsaw comic or the Yuyuko-Yukkarisa comic and fell in love. I would say discovering yukkuris has changed my life. I went from a kind, animal and people-loving person into an extreme psychpath and sadist that loves drawing extreme yukkuri death and torture and I now love torturing animals and people alike. I look back on myself just like Light did in the final episode of Death Note. If I can just harness this immense creative destruction without landing on death row I think I can create great things.
"Would the negative reaction you seem to be hinting at be because Touhou fans in general hate yukkuri violence? Or because Touhou fans in general hate yukkuris? "Then try a general anime forum, the result would be more clear; We are in the minority, face it.Even if the original artist is the only one who detest yukkuri violence, violent editing is still insulting to him and should be banned.Anyone can teach me how to use quote&hyperlink?=w=
Shit, do you know popular that Happy Tree Friends and Madness Combat stuff is, not to mention mainstream movies like Saw and Hostel and whatnot. Face it, humans love their violence and gore. Anime fans? Ever heard of Berserk? Gantz? Tokyo Tribe 2? Elfen Lied? Popular shows with good heapings of violence and more.
But, if you saw only Touhou fans then you may have a point since many want yukkuris to disappear and stop ruining their favorite series. Many people are involved with Touhou because of its humor, almost all-female cast, and general lightheartedness, where no one dies. But yukkuris have already become part of the integral fabric of Touhou and they are quickly spreading to other franchises. If you think we've reached the degraded brink of yukkuri torture and death, trust me, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Suppose the cultural difference between eastern and western people that violence is more acceptable to you people(which I always consider a prejudice, ironically), does exist. It's not the real issue, I like yukkuri violence, too. It's about violations to the original artist. You may think violent edit are cute ideas but they don't. That's why artists note: do not upload my work on .net.
and it is those artists that fail to realize that many edits are done by people other than the uploaders. I am guessing that many people that are actualy doing the edits are not the ones that make comments.
also vicvic, you are aware of the MASSIVE differances in the differant cultures in the east? because that comment ocmes acress as extremely racist.
^Oops, sorry about that~
"and it is those artists that fail to realize that many edits are done by people other than the uploaders. I am guessing that many people that are actualy doing the edits are not the ones that make comments."
No, it's because .net is different from general image board where images are kept permanetly.
I really find how this whole discussion is packed with people who flat out missed the point. It's not an issue of who like Yukkuri violence and who doesn't. It's an issue of respect.If you made some art (Clean or not) and someone edited it to their own devices, would you be annoyed? No? How about he second time? How about the third? What if the fucked with your entire gallery?
The issue isn't even if the uploader is the person who did the edit, the edit should not be placed online unless it has the author's blessing. I don't care how much you hate Yukkuri and how much you love to see them hurt, the message in this post is to stop being an dick.
Also: I've found that many people hate Yukkuri specifically because of violence and Guro. That's what pissed me off about it at first also.
Yeah, as much as I love yukkuri violence, we should respect the original authors. Crapshoot translations are different IMO, but altering the art is wrong.
Yeah, it's the matter of respect; Edits of violent image into non-violent are also disrespectful..net is the only place I know where edits are kept permanently with people commenting "hooray". That's why artists do not wish their artwork uploaded here, I guess.BTW: I find it pretty depressing that most people of chinese touhou/anime communities reject yukkuri due to "too many violence/guro involves the meme".
*Notices the ashes in the topic*
Eh, editing is okay, so long as it's tasteful, and does not negatively alter the impact of the piece...
wow I was looking for this for ages and here it is, except it I seem to recall it having more tags... (maybe it was uploaded twice?) ^also I agree with Shanghai Alice it depends entirely on the edit.
now if I could only remember why i was looking for it...