So Sanae was considered a Rare Type? kinda funny, i thought Sanaes like Meilings and maybe the Sakuyas were either part of the secondary group that Chens, Youmus and Rans belonged to, or they were a third tier of "rarity" behind the Chens and others.
Weird Story, it sure was long since we saw the original type of Factory in a way, basically the ones with constant torture and stuff in the process instead of just processing the yukkuris as raw materials for other products instead of being "modified" to be the product.
Of course i would call a bit of Fridge Logic out of how many mixers and similar lines combined various types of yukkuris disregarding their different fillings, probably the worse being mixing Jaons with the rest, so basically you get spicy curry mixed with bean paste, chocolate and cream. . .not exactly a tasty sounding mix, right?
I gotta admit. This story kinda bugged me. Mostly cause the Yukkuris were more noble than the humans. Like, typically Abuse falls under 2 categories.
A shit head getting tortured by an anon or a victim of said shitheads shittyness.
Or an unnaturally cute little moeblob that pees at the sight of anything that evokes even a mild emotional response getting tormented by an anon (most of Kiri's works fall into this category).
This on the other hand has a group of humans not only being blatantly typecist, but also tormenting and killing a Remiu simply to prove the superiority of their favoured Yukkuri types. To the point that Sanae even bit one in an act of pure aggression and they just said "SHE WAS PLAYING!" I mean... that's just dumb.
Like, if they did all of this just to fuck with Sanae? OK fine, they're just using psychological torment on specific ones. Makes sense. But they were blatantly showing favouritism and assuming Sanae would somehow become a typcist shithead herself if they brainwashed her. I can get behind killing and tormenting Yukkuris for being shitheads, I can get behind killing and tormenting Yukkuris for being retarded moeblobs. I can even understand killing Yukkuris for just being Yukkuris. But these guys were doing it to make food and because they actually thought one type of Yukkuri was better than another, and actively tried to encourage such behaviour.
It certainly doesn't help that Sanae sacrificed herself in the end due to the guilt she felt for not apologizing to Remiu until it was too late. I guess what I'm saying is: the comic wound up presenting the yukkuris as being more intelligent and morally upright than the people. You gotta have some pretty dumb people to do that.
bluhbluhbluh said: To the point that Sanae even bit one in an act of pure aggression and they just said "SHE WAS PLAYING!" I mean... that's just dumb.
Considering that work rules didn't let them kill "Rare Types" this is understable, basically it's a "Professional Denial" like how you may work for a rich family and having to bear with their spoiled kids, but since it's your work, you'll go "what a sweet angel!" no matter how many kicks the brat gives you, because you need the money and many people are willing to bear such crap for the sake of their work.
Like, if they did all of this just to fuck with Sanae? OK fine, they're just using psychological torment on specific ones. Makes sense. But they were blatantly showing favouritism and assuming Sanae would somehow become a typcist shithead herself if they brainwashed her.
This is more plausible than what you think, in this story we had 3 confirmed niceheads, the rest for all we know are just average yukkuris, so taking aside Sanae, it wouldn't be weird for Yukkuris to be easily reeducated to be typcist and discriminatory, in fact, even without the humans the majority of them are like that, remember how the rare types are abused and discriminated by fellow yukkuris, or how the meilings are. And let's not forget the bad quality pet yukkuris that think that their badges make them superior to anything and can do whatever they want to the "inferiors". Just because Sanae was better than that, it doesn't mean the expectation was baseless, yukkuris have a story of being even more discriminatory and racist than humans, and many times for the most stupid things.
But these guys were doing it to make food
Wait, how is this bad? i thought that technically killing yukkuris for food is "morally better" than a great deal of other reasons, i mean they are bouncing foodstuff to begin with.
I didn't like much the story either, but i think you may be jumping the gun there bluhbluhbluh, maybe you should relax a bit, there are stories like this around.
Besides, while i don't agree with typcism, i can see, plausible scenarios for humans to embrace it after years of horrible relationships with the "average types". but i'm not gonna explain it, this post will probably be too long already without it.
Wait, how is this bad? i thought that technically killing yukkuris for food is "morally better" than a great deal of other reasons, i mean they are bouncing foodstuff to begin with.
Good point. My suspension of disbelief still doesn't extend to any world in which I wouldn't find this factory evil and hateful, but I admit torture as entertainment would have been much worse.
Anyway, nice comic. Likeable characters, interesting story and creative abuse.
ParticleMan said: Good point. My suspension of disbelief still doesn't extend to any world in which I wouldn't find this factory evil and hateful, but I admit torture as entertainment would have been much worse.
Yeah that's the thing, for all the bad things that we could call on this factory, which we have many, calling on them for making food out of yukkuris sounds unnecessary.
JusticeItEasy said: I didn't like much the story either, but i think you may be jumping the gun there bluhbluhbluh, maybe you should relax a bit, there are stories like this around.
Justice. When I talk about this stuff I don't do it with the same vehement malice that an anti-abuser would do against a purely abuse story. I do it because I examine the source material and pick at it because my mind likes to wander. If it ever SEEMS like a story offends or enrages me, believe me it doesn't, at least not to the extent some people might think.
I've lurked this site plenty of times. Nothing really angers me, it just causes me to remark occasionally.
JusticeItEasy said: Considering that work rules didn't let them kill "Rare Types" this is understable, basically it's a "Professional Denial" like how you may work for a rich family and having to bear with their spoiled kids
Yea upon a second read through, that's definitely the logical answer to that, although the heart of that issue still lies in my biggest problem with the comic, I think anyway.
JusticeItEasy said: This is more plausible than what you think, in this story we had 3 confirmed niceheads, the rest for all we know are just average yukkuris
OK yes. Even if we assume this, the fact the story focuses on the "nice heads" in question doesn't exactly help the situation. It gives it an element of tragedy, which is kinda nice, but doesn't help the situation, at least in my eyes.
If you find a "rare breed" that's ALSO a nice-head? That's something you gotta cherish and try to help. And showing it's former herd mates getting murdered in various ways ain't the best way to do that. Really I think the BEST answer in-universe would've been to separate the rare-breeds from the lesser ones to begin with and possibly ship the rare one off to a high-quality Yukkuri pet-shop. Assuming it'll automatically wanna see the others get brutally killed is already assuming that it'll have shit-head type of behaviour (which is not something you wanna encourage in ANY type of yukkuri).
JusticeItEasy said: Wait, how is this bad?
That was a poor choice or wording on my behalf. The food aspect isn't bad (unless we go back to your fridge logic) it's more that the humans behaviour throughout this thing seemed to paint them as incompetent and inspiring shit-head type of mentality while the way the Yukkuri's behaved was actually logical and nice (especially if we take Sanae's final comment about "Doing the purge" as a strategy it actually came up with to shut down the factory that killed her friends. That's pretty damn smart for a Yukkuri.)
Again, I'm not angry or lauding the story for killing the "poor little kawaii bean paste buns" I'm just bugged by a few things in this story and giving my opinion.
IN A NOT-SO-SERIOUS SIDE-POINT: Is it just me? Or is this like, the 4th or So yukkuri that muramuraaki has killed by squeezing/splatting out REEAAAALLL LOOOONG? I guess the guy just loves long yukkuri for some reason.
Hey, every story has parts that niggle at people and we think could be done in different ways. Take it easy, and you just gotta dealwithit- that's just how these things go.
In all seriousness i do agree with bluhbluhbluh, but well, after doing many "what bugs me" walls of text myself and seeing they kinda were pointless, i speak by experience that, no matter how much we dislike something of a yukkuri story, it's better to just avoid the walls and as much state a polite and short displeasure while pointing out an interesting discussion material or anything like that.
bluhbluhbluh said: IN A NOT-SO-SERIOUS SIDE-POINT: Is it just me? Or is this like, the 4th or So yukkuri that muramuraaki has killed by squeezing/splatting out REEAAAALLL LOOOONG? I guess the guy just loves long yukkuri for some reason.
Yeah aside of being highly detailed in the wounds and abuse, and other things, Muramuraaki loves to do the long braid squish.
Sorry for double posting but i realized something.
Only 1 factory is shutdown, while the rest are working, as you may see, the smokes of the chimeys is still coming out of the others.
I originally thought, through my cynic side, that the end would be Sanae's plan failing out of expecting the "Director" guy to be that strict about the rules but the director instead would say that a single rare type escaping the process is not reason enough for a purge and that the rules applies in bigger numbers, and so the factory would go on.
Then we got this ending and i was surprised by the achievement. . .until i saw only 1 factory chimey without smoke, the rest still have it.
So in the end, while Sanae may had stopped that factory she didn't stop the whole process, so stories like her would repeat, making her sacrifice, rather pointless in the bigger picture, maybe not in the smaller "avenging" one, but it's hard to say that she got the last laugh here.
The humans in the story are certainly not sympathetic, as it's clearly set in a Nazi/fascist/communist country.. (Make the commissar happy, or you'll be the one on the conveyor belt!) Sanae's last act was a monumental "Fuck you!" to the factory, and was brilliant :)
Toawa said: The humans in the story are certainly not sympathetic, as it's clearly set in a Nazi/fascist/communist country.. (Make the commissar happy, or you'll be the one on the conveyor belt!) Sanae's last act was a monumental "Fuck you!" to the factory, and was brilliant :)
Yeah i think nobody here believes them to be sympathetic, yet if they really belong to a facist empire and aren't just a bunch of wacky japs with a nazi fashion fetish, then my point of "disregarding the rare types actions and not killing them or else you would be facing the consequences" have stronger connotations now.
And about Sanae's last act, well, she at least went out with a bang, instead of a whine, like the rest of her species in any work or any version of the yukkuri world, that's really makes her stand out in many ways.
Definitely a good story... its interesting to see how far yukkuris have come. My guess is the factory workers got Exterminatus'd for losing a rare type. :|
I think it'd qualify for the bad/sad ending pool, although as usual, those are "subjective".
A great read, I particularly enjoyed the refreshing change from the usual "yukkuri can't do anything and complains the entire time" to a story about one that actually had influence on the surrounding environment.
On the one hand she was able to use her suicide for a noble purpose, but on the other, she didn't even put a dent in the system. I wonder if the poor thing really thought her demise would put a stop to it all.
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