Morale of the story, eliminate any yukkuri in your farm as you would do to vermins, instead of risk having them multiplied to plague your farm. Your vegetable is a living being too.
I'm not sure about this page: did the two koReimu grow up and brought their Marisa with them?
Bumping, but the two spared koReimus brought their own clan with them on the next day (following the last pages) to wreck the park, and the entire bunch of shitheads used the spared kos as their excuse. Of course, anon spared the kos because of the pro-yukkuri activists' death threats and not by his own will, and this is the outcome of their action.
*P/S: on the original Pixiv post, this pool has a #社会風刺 (societal satire) tag on it, further confirming its stance as criticism against extreme liberalism represented by activist groups like PETA and such.
anonym said:
Morale of the story, eliminate any yukkuri in your farm as you would do to vermins, instead of risk having them multiplied to plague your farm. Your vegetable is a living being too.
Not when extreme leftists demand that you hand over your agricultural goods to these shitbags simply because "they're weaker beings that seems to be capable of mutual understanding just because they can talk the human tongue".
LOLNOPE
Anon forgave the two koReimus for the time being and told them to never come again, but guess what? They took anon's forgiveness as a passage ticket to his garden (completely ignoring what he said), and this is what that followed.
Thusly, while I label myself as somewhat left-leaning, these goddamned extreme leftists just make me feel ashamed and give me a desire to re-create the NSDAP and massacre them and their beloved yukkuris altogether. Social instability looms on the horizon with these guys around, and that's something worth worrying about.
@Hitosura How would you align yourself specifically in these yukkuri-related matters?
I don't read moonrunes, so I'm afraid I can't voice my opinion on said story.
However, they were given the opportunity to go away, but I suppose food is food. If you told the field rabbit to stop eating from your garden, would it listen?
However, they were given the opportunity to go away, but I suppose food is food. If you told the field rabbit to stop eating from your garden, would it listen?
Comparing rabbits to yukkuris wouldn't be a sound point, as rabbits don't speak the human language, but yukkuris do. YukkurinPeace and other extreme groups would use this point as a leverage to claim that they are capable of understanding and compromisation - so they shouldn't be killed, but guess what? The yukkuris simply do not/cannot listen.
Raiding farms and parks for food and not being able to compromise with humans' request is one thing, but at the same time still being capable of human communication is another. Citing a part of my rant from the end of post #61286:
Speaking the human tongue doesn't automatically give yukkuris any worth, it only subjects them to the scrutiny of cultures that they cannot possibly fit in.[...]"With great power, comes great responsibilities" - when yukkuris harnessed the ability of speech but not the intelligence to understand the human ways, they've signed their own death warrant.
You may try to argue that it's only natural for yukkuris to come and raid your property while being unable to understand warnings and requests, just like rabbits. This then would equate to yukkuris also being legitimate targets to strong methods to either keep them at bay, or destroy them outright upon their infiltration. However this is not all there is to the matter, as yukkuris also shoulder the responsibilities that come with human speech, the responsibilities towards other speakers of the same language - something they cannot possibly fulfill with their limited intelligence, which in turn would only widen the difference between them and the only other creature that can understand their communication, us. This would only fuel more misunderstanding, harm and destruction if not dealt with, as clearly shown in this pool: anon thought his warnings came through to the koReimus because they could speak (an idea induced by the pro-yukkuri activists), which clearly was not the case. He hoped that they would never come again, and you saw how his hopes was cruelly crushed in the aftermath.
Thusly, it would be justified on multiple levels to slaughter yukkuris should they ever come to cause harm to humans' production: their subhuman qualities despite having the facade of intelligence by speaking the human language, which allows for expectations before brutally deceiving and betraying them and making compromisations impossible. This pool itself, aside from the political satire towards extreme liberalism, is also a shining example of these points in bold.
If you like acting like a yukkuri that much, you always have the option to throw away your humanity and legally become one among the yukkuris, so everyone can legitimately kill you Now how about you take this discussion a bit more seriously though?
Now how about you take this discussion a bit more seriously though?
Because I'm not interested in debating the humanity of an anthropomorphic pastry that was given rudimentary humanoid intelligence, and how writers take advantage of that to give excuse and justification for simply killing them.
Comparing rabbits to yukkuris wouldn't be a sound point, as rabbits don't speak the human language, but yukkuris do. YukkurinPeace and other extreme groups would use this point as a leverage to claim that they are capable of understanding and compromisation - so they shouldn't be killed, but guess what? The yukkuris simply do not/cannot listen.
Raiding farms and parks for food and not being able to compromise with humans' request is one thing, but at the same time still being capable of human communication is another. Citing a part of my rant from the end of post #61286:
You may try to argue that it's only natural for yukkuris to come and raid your property while being unable to understand warnings and requests, just like rabbits. This then would equate to yukkuris also being legitimate targets to strong methods to either keep them at bay, or destroy them outright upon their infiltration. However this is not all there is to the matter, as yukkuris also shoulder the responsibilities that come with human speech, the responsibilities towards other speakers of the same language - something they cannot possibly fulfill with their limited intelligence, which in turn would only widen the difference between them and the only other creature that can understand their communication, us. This would only fuel more misunderstanding, harm and destruction if not dealt with, as clearly shown in this pool: anon thought his warnings came through to the koReimus because they could speak (an idea induced by the pro-yukkuri activists), which clearly was not the case. He hoped that they would never come again, and you saw how his hopes was cruelly crushed in the aftermath.
Thusly, it would be justified on multiple levels to slaughter yukkuris should they ever come to cause harm to humans' production: their subhuman qualities despite having the facade of intelligence by speaking the human language, which allows for expectations before brutally deceiving and betraying them and making compromisations impossible. This pool itself, aside from the political satire towards extreme liberalism, is also a shining example of these points in bold.
-__- You are imposing human standards on a creature that is clearly not human. And furthermore you are generalizing yukkuri behavior. As you are well aware there are niceheads and even fairly intelligent ones that would heed warnings in the same way that there are humans who would still choose the worst possible decision despite being told not to by knowledgeable authority figures -_-
-_- and brutally deceiving and betraying them huh? LOL. That's because you are imposing expectations higher than what you should. I would not trust the run of the mill yukkuris more than I would a typical human being. Ever heard of the expression: you give an inch, they would take a mile? Because that applies most of the time to most creatures (dogs, humans, cats, etc) and one who wishes not to be taken advantage of should make sure that the one trying to take advantage understands or at least is negated the opportunity to do so -_-. If we try to adhere to the principles of pursuing the least harmful option, it would not surprise me if there are ways to prevent opportunists from taking advantage provided no unforeseen event happens allowing the opportunist to really take advantage. Only when no other alternative is available should we allow ourselves to irreparably harm or kill another creature -_- Extermination at the drop of a hat is over the top and I shiver at the idea that anyone in real life would embrace such nonsense.
-__- You are imposing human standards on a creature that is clearly not human. [...] That's because you are imposing expectations higher than what you should.
The problem is that while yukkuris speak the human tongue, they do not have the intelligence to comprehend the modern and civilized human culture, its etiquette, constraints, typical/desired behaviors and forbidden actions, nor do the typical yukkuri have the ability to articulate its ideas into ways that are socially acceptable and tactful. [...] Speaking the human tongue doesn't automatically give yukkuris any worth, it only subjects them to the scrutiny of cultures that they cannot possibly fit in. They tuned into humans' communication frequency, but do not have the intelligence to be qualified for it. [...] Had they remained in the realm of animals and mess around among themselves, they wouldn't have been brutalized so much. "With great power, comes great responsibilities" - when yukkuris harnessed the ability of speech but not the intelligence to understand the human ways, they've signed their own death warrant.
TL;DR if yukkuris can speak to humans, then they better learn to behave in a way similar to decent people. If that proves to be outside of their capabilities, then 1) go back to the forests and mountains, away from human civilization, or 2) the extermination squad is over there.
TL;DR if yukkuris can speak to humans, then they better learn to behave in a way similar to decent people. If that proves to be outside of their capabilities, then 1) go back to the forests and mountains, away from human civilization, or 2) the extermination squad is over there.
-_- your logic is flawed as you are so enamoured by being part of the very same group you praise. No one said that just by being able to talk and be understood by people makes yukkuris valuable (and the same can be said of actual humans in real life). What matters is what they do with their lives.
Do not delude yourself that human standards are the end all and be all because that only applies when humanity has the power to impose those standards. If a creature is way more powerful than humanity and humanity's technology it would not be possible to impose a standard on the said creature except that which it wants to abide by.
It's not their ability to speak nearly immediately after birth that makes them smarter than their human equivalent at that point of development initially at the very early part of their lives but their innate biological advantages of having template of concepts that would aid their survival (sadly it does not develop that much for most because they have short and stressful lives, limited mobility and a very low ceiling for intelligence). Like I had earlier said in post 61286, it is unfair to impose human standards on yus.
But then again, humanity often has a twisted sense of reasoning and it'll subconsciously conflate concepts and principles (like a yukkuri, LOL) to justify their own world view. The simple reason why humanity does what it does because it is convenient for them to do so. After all why do we even breed dogs that would not survive in the wild? Why did we even thought up of currency? Simple: human convenience. It is simply because of human convenience that we apply our own subjective standards to anything and is the main reason for the treatment of yus in the various yuniverses.
Do not delude yourself that human standards are the end all and be all because that only applies when humanity has the power to impose those standards. If a creature is way more powerful than humanity and humanity's technology it would not be possible to impose a standard on the said creature except that which it wants to abide by.
Which means that we'd be able to enjoy our reign of human values as long as an alien race doesn't come to destroy our civilization and replace our (general) standards with theirs. In the meantime, I'll just observe how yukkuris pop up as obnoxious signals on the human cultural radar (nevermind the asshole humans we see everyday), and get promtly shot down, horribly.
If the yukkuris want to stand above that radar of ours and crush it with their own subjective viewpoint, then they'll need to conquer the human race first. First step, win against unarmed human civilians (95% of yukkuris would die at this step). Second step, destroy the formal, professional armed forces of states and countries (the remaining 5% consisting of dosus and special yukkuris would be decimated here).
Canttakeiteasy said:
It's not their ability to speak nearly immediately after birth that makes them smarter than their human equivalent at that point of development initially at the very early part of their lives but their innate biological advantages of having template of concepts that would aid their survival
You mean concepts like "Yukkuris are the superior being in nature, followed by mister bugs, poo-poo, and finally the shitty humans!", "Puff-puff is the strongest ultimate attack!", or "Mister Excaliber will help Maricha conquer the shitty humans and destroy their system of private ownership unfair hoarding!"?
Hey, these are all legitimate concepts and beliefs engraved genetically into a large portion of newborn yukkuris (which may or may not disappear depending on their upbringing environment and education), and you know how they all would turn out.
Which means that we'd be able to enjoy our reign of human values as long as an alien race doesn't come to destroy our civilization and replace our (general) standards with theirs. In the meantime, I'll just observe how yukkuris pop up as obnoxious signals on the human cultural radar (nevermind the asshole humans we see everyday), and get promtly shot down, horribly.
If the yukkuris want to stand above that radar of ours and crush it with their own subjective viewpoint, then they'll need to conquer the human race first. First step, win against unarmed human civilians (95% of yukkuris would die at this step). Second step, destroy the formal, professional armed forces of states and countries (the remaining 5% consisting of dosus and special yukkuris would be decimated here).
You mean concepts like "Yukkuris are the superior being in nature, followed by mister bugs, poo-poo, and finally the shitty humans!", "Puff-puff is the strongest ultimate attack!", or "Mister Excaliber will help Maricha conquer the shitty humans and destroy their system of private ownership unfair hoarding!"?
Hey, these are all legitimate concepts and beliefs engraved genetically into a large portion of newborn yukkuris (which may or may not disappear depending on their upbringing environment and education), and you know how they all would turn out.
-_- I had a perfect rebuttal for that 5 months ago but it takes a long time to make because of reasons.
Cant stands by shitheads especially when they steal food, destroy facilities and popping toward others. Thoughts as why they cannot attack human like super yus reflect his paste of core. Can you imagine such a guy defending for mosquitoes, cockroaches, rats and devils is a member of civil group? I guess Cant himself is a deibu or something worse. So actually you are debating the topic 'Reimu is princess and human is slave' with a shit reimu, and you think you guy can beat it?
Cant stands by shitheads especially when they steal food, destroy facilities and popping toward others. Thoughts as why they cannot attack human like super yus reflect his paste of core. Can you imagine such a guy defending for mosquitoes, cockroaches, rats and devils is a member of civil group? I guess Cant himself is a deibu or something worse. So actually you are debating the topic 'Reimu is princess and human is slave' with a shit reimu, and you think you guy can beat it?
Hey, we're trying to keep things somewhat (relatively) civil and ad hominem-free here, so cut it out.
Or I'll just grab some popcorn and sit back. I need something mindlessly entertaining to see after wracking my brain to write up the arguments above.
I cannot really state it outright just yet because of reasons >:). The idea is pretty nifty though and I constantly give myself pats on my own back and congratulate myself while saying sorry for being so smart every time I remember it.