One Yukkuri Place

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Those trap legs - wow.
So, are the dogs in the next page the traps? How the hell did the yukkuri get in without being torn to pieces by them?

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  • In that case maybe i should be complaining that anon simply left the door open, letting the Reimu try and get back in.
    Either way it's been a pretty good argument we've had, lacking any 'smash/don't-smash' screaming matches a lot of longer comment chains seem to devolve into.

    Oh, and Sock - i vaguely recall a post somewhere implying that although Yukkuri can smash through windows, the one doing the actual smashing usually doesn't survive the experiance (and of course they're too stupid to know this beforehand.)

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  • It's a flawed statement because you're claiming it to be an excuse to not even bother protecting ones home. Saying that 'they'll get in anyway' as an excuse to not protect your home is akin to a surgeon saying 'hey, everyone dies eventually anyway' as a reason to not bother operating on people.

    You claim that it's wrong to call someone who isn't aware of a flaw in their house lazy. I'm not going to argue that because that's perfectly acceptable - however you then go on to say "Is the homeowner lazy for spending money to protect their house against everything else but overlooked (or rather never noticed) those 2 spots?"
    This sort of homeowner is not the type i have issue with - they're not lazy because they have *tried* to protect their home. My problem is with those who don't even try and then still seem so shocked and horrified that Yukkuri keep getting in and wrecking shit. Going back to the surgeon example, it's the difference between a surgeon who does everything they can to save the patient but fails and a surgeon who doesn't even bother to operate then wonders why the patient died. The first is going to succeed far, far more often than the second ever will because they're actually attempting to operate.

    Also 'momentary lapse' does not really result in any real 'invasion' per se and with Yukkuri being much more obvious than most pests it's hard to imagine someone not noticing them if, say, they'd left the door open while taking out trash.
    It's when the owners either don't care or refuse to admit there's a problem that shit gets bad. It'd be like having yukkuri breaking into your house through the same hole day after day after day and wrecking your stuff each time and then deciding it's too much hassle to plug that hole up.

    I can't honestly say that the yukkuri break-ins we see aren't the 50% or whatever that make it in anyway, but i can say i've never seen any (other than this one) that show an actual yukkuri preventative measure in place (aside from, y'know, having something to kill the yukkuri once they're inside that is - which kind of defeats the point if you don't want them getting inside in the first place.)

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  • I keep forgetting most Yukkuri actually are dumber than rats.
    Either way, the house with the barbed wire, with the spikes, or the grills, the yukkuri may try to get in but the majority will die trying or simply fail (and lets face it, i'd rather they die *outside* because i don't particularly wish to have to clean them off carpets and stuff.) You don't have to make it a fort, but some little measures are still liable to stop most.
    Hell, when it comes to yukkuri a rough enough welcome mat could be enough to at least render them incapable of simply slipping through an open door (or at least hurt them enough for them to make noise to alert you that some have tried). Grills in ventilation and chimneys are pretty standard to keep out birds and rats anyway, so no specific effort needed there - and a trap or two in a basement or crawlspace would put paid to attempts from there.

    Having a pet (or suitable guard Yukkuri, a Meiling/Flan combo would probably work wonders - hell, any relatively strong domestic would do) would kill those who get in... though it occurs to me some pets wouldn't kill/eat some yukkuri - wouldn't eating a chocolate-filled chen kill a dog/cat?

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  • "That shit gets in no matter what you do."

    Again you're falling on a flawed statement. Just because with enough determination these things can get in, it does not mean you should simply make it easy for any wandering yukkuri to get in. Going back to burglars - yes they can break in no matter how much security you have if they try but the vast, vast majority will look at a protected house and think "fuck it, lets hit someplace easier."

    Look into the pest control industry and you'll find similar thinking going on in pests - the majority of major infestations comes not from pests breaking directly into a protected home, but from those that have gotten into a different easy-to-access home that's attached to yours. Admittedly they still got in, but consider the damage they must have done to next door before they worked out how to get into your place - i've seen some absolute fucking horrors in my time in that respect. The 'protected' home has maybe a handful of roaches while the place next door is basically one huge nest with roaches everywhere. Similar thing with rats. Oh and rats may not be able to smash windows, by they can and will gnaw through damn near anything short of stone or metal, so it's not like they can't make their own entry points as yukkuri can do with windows.

    Again, back to the burglar anaology - given two identical houses would you go for the house with the locked door, or the one with the door that's left open? Given yukkuri seem to view everything as 'food' or 'an easy place' then the physical contents of a house don't matter, just that they can get in to it (though i admit some would probably spy something through a window and only think of taking a straight line to it, either way you're not trying to stop the die-hard, you're trying to stop the casual ones which just happen to spot an easy place with an easy way in). In this way although you cannot 100% stop all home invasions, you'd be likely to cut the number you do suffer to at least half, probably less.
    So yes, i will continue to call homeowners lazy and claim they don't protect their homes - because i've seen far too many real life examples of those that simply don't care about rats/roaches/spiders/termites/etc, so why should i expect those within the gensokyo setting to be any different?

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  • I think it's less about the koyukkuri needing mental scarring to be polite, and more about them being removed from their big shit parents.
    I mean, we've seen a number of 'nice' yukkuri (like the one that agreed to feed that pregnant reimu) so it obviously learned to be nice somewhere along the line. Possibly orphan yukkuri grow up nice because they're pretty much forced to either suck up to others or rely on the kindness of others to survive, so they perceive kindness as a desirable trait.

    Problem is most orphans we see get killed by the asshole yukkuri and it seems pretty rare for them to survive to adulthood outside of being raised by a human (which may explain why domestic yukkuri generally seem to be nicer on average.)

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  • True that, these two are already past the point of no return i guess - and having their parent figure convince them yukkuri can beat humans is bound to get them killed eventually (assuming there isn't going to be some disaster waiting for them already).

    Maybe it's just koyukkuri in general i'm sorry for then.

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  • Depends where you put the spikes. I was kind of imagining them going out to the side, or at an angle going downwards - so they'd catch a Yukkuri climbing up as opposed to one thats on the top. One climbing up would rip a good hole in its front or side pretty easily. It's not something that would stop the die-hard attempt to get in (and it'd suck against flying remi/flan types) but it'd deal with anything less without any trouble. Cats on the other hand would just jump straight past them, and they'd be no threat to birds that way either.

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  • Except we're speaking of household pests - like rats. Rats (and indeed burglars) can and will find their way into a place, but that's no excuse to be making it *easy* for them to do so - which is my issue here.

    Ventilation outlets and chimneys are easy to protect with mesh grills (obviously small enough mesh to prevent smaller yukkuri getting through), windows can be toughened or it would be a simple matter to put some kind of dull spikes along the windowsill (dull enough to be harmless to humans, but spikey enough to tear any yukkuri climbing up there), baited traps can be placed anywhere and if you have serious cracks in your basement then chances are Yukkuri are soon to be the least of your worries.

    'The homeowner being careless does not absolve a burglar of the crime' - fair enough but conversely the exuse of 'oh, they'll get in anyway' does not mean a homeowner should just not bother at all to try to protect their property.

    Though, on an odd note, being infested with rats would probably be an excellent yukkuri deterrent as rats would slaughter the average yukkuri in seconds. Probably not exactly a great silver lining to an infestation though.

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  • Could be some kind of disturbing version of natural selection maybe? Any yukkuri that can survive the death-rape is liable to produce tougher offspring perhaps?

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  • I don't know what would be creepier - a documentry on Yukkuri reproduction or the implication in this picture that they have a conscious choice over what method of birth they use.

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  • "I don't see why you wouldn't let them in, though" - Says the person who was going batshit mental over the damage home invaders do in other comments?

    Either way, magic barriers or not the fact is a good number of home invasion scenarios we see strongly imply that the Yukkuri literally just walked in through an open door. I have no problem with smashing the little bastards if they've wrecked your stuff, but there's a distinct difference between them actually breaking in and a homeowner being stupid enough to simply let them in without any trouble.

    Simply put, if you don't want pests then don't make it so damn easy for pests to get in.

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  • Hoh? What's this? People can prevent Yukkuri home invasions if they can be bothered to do so? Why, it's just like pretty much every other household pest!

    Suddenly at least half of yukkuri invasion crap is the fault of lazy homeowners.

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  • I kinda feel sorry for the koyukkuri who, to this point, have done nothing wrong apart from be born by a Yukkuri that deserves whatever hell it gets and are still being treated shit by it.

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