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"braids" tag description:

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When a yukkuri, is doing something with it's braids, such as manipulating an object or otherwise positioning them ie. pointing.
I think that this should be distinct from the flapping tag because flapping is an involuntary gesture whilst manipulation or pointing is a voluntary, conscious act.

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amicustribusyu said:
When a yukkuri, is doing something with it's braids, such as manipulating an object or otherwise positioning them ie. pointing.
I think that this should be distinct from the flapping tag because flapping is an involuntary gesture whilst manipulation or pointing is a voluntary, conscious act.

Good start, but you need to differentiate between the different yukkuri braids, i.e. marisa_braids, sakuya_braids, reimu_braids.

Oh and by the way, flapping can also be a voluntary gesture. So you should probably replace flapping with a voluntary_flapping and involuntary_flapping tag.

starshine said:
Good start, but you need to differentiate between the different yukkuri braids, i.e. marisa_braids, sakuya_braids, reimu_braids.

Oh and by the way, flapping can also be a voluntary gesture. So you should probably replace flapping with a voluntary_flapping and involuntary_flapping tag.

  • I think that the [yukkuri type]_braids convention would be unworldly and would not be implemented consistently.
  • How about flapping as a subset of braids, be the flapping voluntary or an semi-involuntary syncopated gesture.

Do we REALLY need to differentiate between conscious flapping and involuntary flapping and how the braids manipulate things AND the types of yukkuri braids?

You need to consider all the other things you can use to identify pictures and not go into great details with the tags you're creating/making. The tagging system loses value if you start to clutter it up with stuff only you can remember. If i'm looking for a reimu flapping her braids, i might look for flapping + reimu + whatever else was in the picture, but I'm certainly not going to look up reimu_braids. Not to mention nobody tags pointing with braids as "flapping" anyways.

TLDR version: No. Too much detail and useless in the long run since nobody's going to do it.

Short response:
Okay, Poweryoga said "No" ...

Long response:
...but I must say, "braids" is one case where I wish we used more narrowly-defined tags (albeit not to the point of starshine's response, which I interpreted as sarcasm.)

Wiki definition:

Use this tag when a yukkuri is doing something with its braids; flapping them manically, holding things... or when something is being done to the braids of a yukkuri (e.g. cutting them off).

This seems like it's way too broad to be useful. If I were to search for "braids Reimu abuse" looking for pictures of Reimu's sidelocks being cut off, I'd also be swamped with pictures of Reimu flailing (as she does) as she's burned/stabbed/drowned/amagiried.

As I was formulating this reply, I noticed that we have a braid_loss tag, so why not change the last part of the braids definition to say, "If the braids are being removed or destroyed, use the more specific braid_loss tag instead" ?

Even longer response:

In an ideal world, I'd like a separate tag for non-flapping uses of prehensile braids. Call it "braid_use" (or "hair_use" or "prehensile_hair," since, IIRC, there have been rare instances of non-braided yukkuris like Alices grabbing things with their hair.)

So there'd be disambiguation on the Braids page, like:

"Use the tag flapping if the yukkuri is maniacally flapping its braids around (e.g. out of emotion, out of pain, in order to fly).
Use the tag hair_use for all other cases in which a yukkuri is performing an action with its braids/hair (e.g. pointing, writing, holding something).
Use the tag braid_loss if the braids are being (or have been) removed or destroyed.
Use the tag braids as a catch-all when the yukkuri's braids are somehow of interest, but the picture ddo not qualify for one of the tags above.."

amicustribusyu said:

  • How about flapping as a subset of braids, be the flapping voluntary or an semi-involuntary syncopated gesture.

Seeing as you went ahead and made and started using the flapping tag already, I don't see why we're even discussing this.

Don't we already have a thread in order to discuss tags?
Otherwise we could open an "amicustribusyu thread" and spare 5 new tag threads a week!

These are times of crysis and we should save kilobytes... you know, winter is coming.

yukiyuzen said:
Seeing as you went ahead and made and started using the flapping tag already, I don't see why we're even discussing this.

I aliased it because he's using flap-flap. To be honest I don't see anything wrong with the "flapping" tag, it's inherently descriptive and its useful as an identifier.

but flap-flap? No.

poweryoga said:
I aliased it because he's using flap-flap. To be honest I don't see anything wrong with the "flapping" tag, it's inherently descriptive and its useful as an identifier.

but flap-flap? No.

Except, he wants to use the "flapping" tag as a SUBSET of the braids tag. I looked over some the pictures he already tagged as "flapping" and most of them aren't tagged braids. As a subset of the braids tag, all pictures with the flapping tag should have the braids tag.

That said, if he can't even get that right, why on earth would every other tagger get it right?

platina said:
Use the tag hair_use for all other cases in which a yukkuri is performing an action with its braids/hair (e.g. pointing, writing, holding something).

There's a prehensile_hair tag. hair_use makes more sense to me though.

Say, to simplify things... here's a suggestion: how about changing all instances of prehensile_(body_part) into (body_part)_use instead?

So that would be:

prehensile_hair -> hair_use
prehensile_tongue -> tongue_use
prehensile_penipeni -> penipeni_use

What do you say?

yukiyuzen said:
Except, he wants to use the "flapping" tag as a SUBSET of the braids tag. I looked over some the pictures he already tagged as "flapping" and most of them aren't tagged braids. As a subset of the braids tag, all pictures with the flapping tag should have the braids tag.

That said, if he can't even get that right, why on earth would every other tagger get it right?

Most yukkuris (marisa, reimu) on here has some sort of braids so its pretty useless no matter the usage.

For the most part I'm ok with either prehensile or bodypart use. I certainly won't expect the taggers to remember the specific tag though. We can certainly alias prehensile_blah to blah_use.

poweryoga said:
Most yukkuris (marisa, reimu) on here has some sort of braids so its pretty useless no matter the usage.

For the most part I'm ok with either prehensile or bodypart use. I certainly won't expect the taggers to remember the specific tag though. We can certainly alias prehensile_blah to blah_use.

Ah, but then we go back to his "braids" definition.

"braids" tag description:

When a yukkuri, is doing something with it's braids, such as manipulating an object or otherwise positioning them ie. pointing.

The definitions hes trying to use overlap with one another or are so difficult to understand/remember/use (how about that yukkuri_metaphysics eh?) that they're effectively usable only by him. The fact that he doesn't even use them right literally makes them useless for everyone else.

poweryoga said:
I certainly won't expect the taggers to remember the specific tag though.

Yes, but we should expect taggers to at least make the effort in searching through OYP's database for similar existing tags. Heck, I only found the prehensile_blah tags since I actually looked for pictures describing the hair_use tag.

Skribulous said:
Yes, but we should expect taggers to at least make the effort in searching through OYP's database for similar existing tags. Heck, I only found the prehensile_blah tags since I actually looked for pictures describing the hair_use tag.

Just goes to show how extensive/in-depth/absurd our tag database already is when you actually search it... (Heres one I found recently, yukkuris_can_fap_now)

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