haven't edited in a while so apologies for any font inconsistencies. Originally I wanted to keep the fonts the same as the first couple of edited images but I didn't have anything similar so I just went with what I usually use. thanks to the translators
Thanks a lot of the translation yumyumyum, it kinda looks cleaner than the original work. Maybe the difference of how much space the japanese characters and the occidental characters have?
The thing is, the Marisa's actions were noble in that she was protecting her mother from a member of the species that regularly commits genocide against theirs.
Key word: protecting. She attacks the human only after it attacks them.
I like this story a lot, I just think the "Justice" tag is being misused in this case.
Ghost you are using the word Genocide wrong, Genocide is for advanced sentient and sapient lifeforms as in Humans, Aliens, Youkais, etc. Monster Fauna like Yukkuri and Animals are Exterminated.
I can agree that the tag Justice is out of place, but you have to consider that how "loable" the Marisa's intentions were is debatable, specially since she was completely unable to tell apart her "game" from "reality", plus there is the connotation of how bad Yukkuris are already and how worse they would get if practises like "Human Extermination" spread to just fire up more their already troublesome attitude. This kind of things will only lead to more Mass Extermination since this is exactly what triggers them "Yukkuris Going Too Far or being Too Pest Like in Human Territories".
I'm not sure this deserves the justice tag either, as the ko had not yet acted upon what it had been taught, without provocation.
Had it attacked a random passerby that hadn't done anything to it, I would say the justice tag is right. However, that wasn't the case this time. It attacked the human in retaliation for the humans attacks on it and its mother.
I do, on the other hand, think the anon took, roughly, the correct actions in this situation. Had he let that koyukkuri live, it may have eventually tried 'exterminating' a human, and theres no guarantee that its first target would be an adult, it could have just as likely been a child, toddler, or (god forbid) an infant. So, killing it was a decent preventative measure, not that that thought ever crossed the anon's mind, he probably did it more for shits and giggles, as a decent amount of anon's in yukkuri works tend to do.
(When I say he took 'roughly' the right action, I mean killing it was (sort of) the right thing to do in that situation. The beating it up/torture/abuse bit was unnecessary, but pretty much expected in a yukkuri work.)
No, it deserves justice tag, but not the 'justice' that we humans use amongst our selves, it would seem.
(turns on serious mode)
From I've seen it, 'justice' tag is more often used when a yukkuri is abused/killed because it offends a human. Note that it's 'offend', not 'attack'. In other words, it's 'justice' when a yukkuri actively provokes a human into killing it. Examples include home invasion, attacking/killing pet yukkuri, swear words, and so on. The koMarisa here has a few reasons why it should have been killed off: 1. It announced that it's greater than humans. This almost always leads to arrogant deibu behavior when yukkuri grow up, regardless of how noble and kind it is to other yukkuri. 2. It attacked anon with a stick. Sure, it was a completely ineffective and idiotic attack, but the idea stays; yukkuri thinks that it can harm humans. With a 'weapon'. Dangers are imminent, just as maximus5 mentioned up there. 3. 'Too dumb to live' doesn't sound like a serious argument, but surprisingly it holds true in a lot of yukkuri death cases. The koMarisa's attack itself was more of a "I can, and I will beat all the bad mister humans and take it easy", rather than "Mister human hurt me, so it's revenge", as the koMarisa admitted to before the anon started trolling it with the dolls. A clear misjudgment on power levels and its current situation. I'm saying this in regards to you, Ghosto'SF - this ko was just way too dumb, even when taking into account that it's, well, a baby. And often, it's the dumb ones, rather than the shithead ones, that tend to cause more problems to not only humans but fellow yukkuri as well. Think about it - if it's only the shitheads that cause the typical yukkuri problem, people might not be a bit more generous towards yukkuri. After all, its the evil ones rather than the nice ones that the shops have, right? But if yukkuri problems are made because they're doing it without much thought - in other words, the problems rise from their very nature of existence and behavior - an extermination or two sounds very tempting to carry out. Thus, yukkuri like that koMarisa over their indirectly causes humans to go out in a yukkuri-killing frenzy out of sheer frustration and stress that the lil' balls of bean paste gave them.
(turns off serious mode)
Gah, never thought I'd end up writing walls of text like this;; Anyway, the conclusion is that yes, justice exists here, but not in the same wording that we tend to use in our daily lives. After all, there are yukkuri-world specific tags like 'happy end' here, right?
(It's Official i love Delete button can remake comments and make things less clusterfuck if i found a better way to stablish my comment, at least before 2 or 3 users reply to my comment.)
Short Version of the idea
Justice Tag isn't for "offender yukkuris" being killed but Villain Yukkuris being killed, many Home Invasion works do lack the Justice tag since the yukkuris there in general are just pest like and arrogant, if they are able to kill a pet or something then Justice applies. Komarisa isn't villain so no Justice here.
The secondary debate or view we have about this story is about, regardless of it clearly not being anon's intention since he's doing it for the lulz of killing yukkuris, that dealing with Komarisa may be necessary since it would just make things worse for both humans and yukkuris if she grows up with the "Human Extermination" idea, it's the same as killing a rabid animal or a human eating animal that roams a human settlements.
Ah, well. If that's how it rolls around here, then I'll have to accept, no? But seriously, I personally still end up applying double standards to those lil buns :P Anyway, as long as koMarisa gets punished/justiced/killed/whatever, I'm fine with it. Seriously, that one pissed me off more than any other yukkuri in this site - including the most shitheaded ones such as z-aki's notorious deibus.
Well, there's three valid paths to take with this one:
1.) Consider it as a possible future threat with the ko and continue down the path this this anon has down as lacking in finesse it may be.
2.) The anon is an out abuser and the opportunity has presented itself. As most humans would go with the first option allowing this anon to have just cause for what he is doing.
3.) Defining that the Yukkuri, despite being a living manjuu, is sentient and thus eligible for humility. This makes the humans tantamount to war criminals. And with the previous notion realized forces the humans to comply to a standard thus preventing them from abusing or distributing necessary punishment etc. etc. etc.
Personally, I'm torn.
I'm more likely to align with the first notion or if I feel sickened enough by the actions taking place I will align with the third. Even going so far as to think of murdering a human for mistreatment if I feel it justified. Some behavior I just can't tolerate. And budding anon serial killers is one of them.
However, I also believe in disposal of Deibus and even find enjoyment in their deaths.
I think the wrong yukkuri was killed here. The little one was just misled by its mother -- who didn't make any effort to make clear that "Human Extermination" was just a game and actually encouraged its delusions of doing it for real. It may have been too late to correct the Ko's misapprehensions -- I'm not sure -- but it was a victim of its mother's foolishness.
Granted, there are some humans I would like to see receive punishment of some sort for their excessive abuse -- but leave that to other humans or yukkuri that are actually capable of doing such. Don't fill your ko's head with delusional ideas that will only get it killed.
Nezumi said: I think the wrong yukkuri was killed here. The little one was just misled by its mother -- who didn't make any effort to make clear that "Human Extermination" was just a game and actually encouraged its delusions of doing it for real. It may have been too late to correct the Ko's misapprehensions -- I'm not sure -- but it was a victim of its mother's foolishness.
Granted, there are some humans I would like to see receive punishment of some sort for their excessive abuse -- but leave that to other humans or yukkuri that are actually capable of doing such. Don't fill your ko's head with delusional ideas that will only get it killed.
Good point.
anyway an abuser doesn't even need an excuse to kill a yukkuri, they just do it because they can, in the same manner as a Yukkuri kills a single ant still do it in order to eat it, because they are stronger than their victims
Actually Yukkuris may just kill the ants just because they can do it as well, I had seen pics of Yu's killing ants and bragging about it without the idea of eating them even crossing their mind, yukkuris are more than willing to abyuse and torture others just because they can, if they could they would do it to humans and other bigger creatures, they already show the intention in many stories, which makes the "human extermination" game extra fuel for such ideas and actions.
Well, there's three valid paths to take with this one:
1.) Consider it as a possible future threat with the ko and continue down the path this this anon has down as lacking in finesse it may be.
2.) The anon is an out abuser and the opportunity has presented itself. As most humans would go with the first option allowing this anon to have just cause for what he is doing.
3.) Defining that the Yukkuri, despite being a living manjuu, is sentient and thus eligible for humility. This makes the humans tantamount to war criminals. And with the previous notion realized forces the humans to comply to a standard thus preventing them from abusing or distributing necessary punishment etc. etc. etc.
Personally, I'm torn.
I'm more likely to align with the first notion or if I feel sickened enough by the actions taking place I will align with the third. Even going so far as to think of murdering a human for mistreatment if I feel it justified. Some behavior I just can't tolerate. And budding anon serial killers is one of them.
However, I also believe in disposal of Deibus and even find enjoyment in their deaths.
So it's a horse a piece I think.
Consider how the humans the yus are talking about are abusers, maybe it could be a thing If the anon picked a type that IS capable of doing so though, then the will only encourage the yus to do so ("You picked a type that is capable of human extermination, and yet you still tease manjuus for being weak!")
I strongly believe that there’s undiscovered types that are capable of HE and takes these games as serious practise. The story will take a twist with this.
“Try exterminating me lol”
“You wanted to be exterminated, you GET exterminated!”