Yeah yeah, the guy is dumb, we got the memo pages ago, it's an ayazou anon, stupidity had been long stablished as a trait that yu's and anon share in ayazou's yu world, no need to get so worked up about it.
I want Ayazou to finish this one already, since It may be getting close for the story to start dragging and getting boring.
Is that really the yu paralel of the umbilical cord? I could had swear it was just old filling fizzling out and that the big round thing in her bottom is all old beanpaste that needs to come out.
JusticeItEasy said: Is that really the yu paralel of the umbilical cord? I could had swear it was just old filling fizzling out and that the big round thing in her bottom is all old beanpaste that needs to come out.
JusticeItEasy said: That's why I thought it was weird to call this "red one" the "umbilical cord", since they usually seem to be green like the page you posted.
Yeah, but thats to be expected. After the baby is cut off/detached from the cord/the cord is clamped, the cord quickly dies off and changes color.
Human umbilical cords are white and clear when they're attached and non-clamped but quickly turn red and black when cut and clamped.
yukiyuzen said: Yeah, but thats to be expected. After the baby is cut off/detached from the cord/the cord is clamped, the cord quickly dies off and changes color.
Human umbilical cords are white and clear when they're attached and non-clamped but quickly turn red and black when cut and clamped.
Where on earth did you get the idea that that's an umbilical cord?
He poked a hole in the 'tumor'(or whatever you wanna call it): post #45715
Then the internal pressure caused the filling in the 'tumor' to start extruding, similar to toothpaste being squeezed out of the tube: post #45912
In the real world, babies aren't born by exploding out of the mother, so it's kind of hard to compare the two.
The logic here is, umbilical cords and amniotic fluid haven't been done before, and the red stuff that comes out is usually bean paste. He also mistakes the "snake fireworks" for poo-poo, which is bean paste. So we just assumed that it's bean paste.
In my opinion, the tumor only started growing after he fed Reimu Alice's core, so maybe the core mixed with Reimu's bean paste, but the paste had no where to go and started swelling up where her anyaru is supposed to be. By popping the bump on the tumor, anon essentially created a new anyaru and now she's pooping out the extra bean paste.
yukiyuzen said: By your logic, doctors should sew a woman's vagina shut after given birth and then wonder where the amniotic fluids are coming from.
.......I'm sorry, but you just had such an immense logic failure there, that I'm now pretty sure you're just trolling or something.
A. As aozf05 said, in the real world, babies don't pull a 'chestburster', a la Aliens, when they're born.
B. Even if babies DID pull a 'chestburster' to be born, You're saying it would better to simply let the mother bleed to death from the 'chestburst' while waiting for the umbilical cord, amniotic fluid, and placenta to be expelled? (Hey, if you can make a logic fail of linking what I said to "By your logic, doctors should sew a woman's vagina shut after given birth and then wonder where the amniotic fluids are coming from.", than I can make a logic fail by linking what you said to "Let the mother bleed out so we can be sure we got the afterbirth stuff.")
C. Never, EVER, before, has there been ANY image/story with a yukkuri mother expelling the 'umbilical cord' from a mammalian birth, as such, your idea that that's the 'umbilical cord' is coming completely out of NOWHERE. Hence why I was seriously asking where on earth you got that idea from! Hell, umbilical cords in yukkuri mammalian pregnancies isn't even a commonly accepted thing in the first place! After all, not all artist/authors use that idea!
yukiyuzen said: A. Ever hear of a Caesarean section?
B. Missed my point.
C. Yes there have. And no I'm not going to dig it up for you.
A. I'm sorry, did you really just equate something forcefully exploding/ripping/tearing its way out of someone/thing to a surgical procedure? Strange, I could have sworn that something forcefully ripping its way out of someones stomach-area would cause far more damage than it being carefully and surgically cut out...
B. Yeah, I suppose I did somewhat. However, you initially claimed the red 'snake' was the umbilical cord, NOT amniotic fluid, those are two rather different things. And for the record, I'll admit that the red 'snake' could potentially be classed as 'amniotic fluid', since there would likely be no difference between the filling and the 'A. fluid' in a yukkuri. However, I have a hard time believing that in this case, since it would make far more sense for all the 'A. fluid' to have been expelled when the baby burst out, just look at the image: post #39568 After all, all the injected OJ came out, why wouldn't the 'A. fluid'?
C. And I'm certain there haven't been any, so if you won't offer proof, I'm sticking to that. (for the umbilical cord; the 'A. fluid', while rare, has been seen before....I think.)
A. The point, you missed it. Hyper accelerated growth + ripping its way out of the mother =/= Cesarean section, at ALL.
B. I'm sorry, what? How would "the orange color from the orange juice overpowering her amniotic fluids" make ANY difference in whether or not the amniotic fluid was expelled when the baby ripped its way out?
C. With that image, and the tl of the image, it (IMO) implies that the anon has removed the baby from the mothers mamu-mamu and is threatening to 'abort' (read: sever the stalk) the baby. Thus, I do not consider that baby to have been 'born' yet. But if you insist that that was a normal birth, than fine, maybe *never* was too strong of a word, the point was primarily that there was almost ZERO precedent for yukkuri expelling the internal 'stalk' after their children are born. And for the record, that's the ONLY image that has that, and I already said what my opinion on that image was. Want to try the 'but its the same artist' argument? He's drawn just as many images without expelling the internal 'stalk' as he has WITH that happening, a grand total of ONE each. Hell, there's only 9 images with the tags ayazou and birth, and two of those shouldn't even have the birth tag.
Yuyukizen, I think you give far too much credit to the complexity of the yukkuri condition.
The fact that it's rooted in during birth here doesn't necessarily mean that that's the umbillical cord.
Personally I would disagree with that for two reasons
1) Yukkuri artists, especially those who draw in colors, make a point of strongly differentiating any aspects of yukkuri anatomy so you know what's going on. I really doubt that he would use the exact same color for a dying umbilical cord as he would use for beanpaste.
2) I sincerely doubt that you would be able to squeeze out an umbilical cord like that. You would simply pull on it, as squeezing something as solid as an umbilical cord from the outside would probably not force it through the hole.
This is more like squeezing a juice box without a straw and watching the juice (bean paste) fly out of the hole, the least path of resistance. The paste is just solid enough to come out stringy.
It'd be nice to ask ayazou for confirmation, of course, but if you cared about my imput that's what i think.
maximusfive said: the point was primarily that there was almost ZERO precedent for yukkuri expelling the internal 'stalk' after their children are born.
Not sure if serious...
Trololo said: 1) Yukkuri artists, especially those who draw in colors, make a point of strongly differentiating any aspects of yukkuri anatomy so you know what's going on. I really doubt that he would use the exact same color for a dying umbilical cord as he would use for beanpaste.
Admittedly, it was green initially, but that was BEFORE he forcefully sealed Reimu up; cord, fluids and "internal bleeding" all together. post #39621 . Cover something in red and *gasp* it'll appear red!
Why wouldn't I be? There is only ONE image, out of tens of thousands, that could, only potentially(its a matter of opinion on that particular image), have a yukkuri expelling the internal 'stalk'(aka "umbilical cord") during/after their children's birth. So, like I said, there is ALMOST zero precedent for yukkuri expelling the internal 'stalk' during/after birth. If you can prove that wrong, please do.
P.S. and yes, I DID search. Specifically the tags mammalian_pregnancy, stalk, and birth; and also in different combinations thereof.
yukiyuzen said: Because you said that you weren't going to look for yourself, then refused to admit I was right when I did the work for you.
You're trolling.
Yes, you called into doubt my statement of "I'm certain there haven't been any" and "There has never, EVER, been". But again, the circumstances of that image are questionable, but without some kind of poll system on here, we really can't see whether popular opinion agrees with your claim or mine, and unless one of our moonrune readers wants to go ask Ayazou himself, we can't know which of our opinions on that image is right.
Anyways, I never said I WASN'T going to look, after all, I was certain about there not being any images with that, why should I have bothered looking for something I was certain didn't exist? When you provided evidence that called that into doubt, I then had a reason to go looking for others. As far as doing the work for me, YOU are the one that made a claim contrary to popular opinion/current fannon, thus the burden of proving your claim to be true falls upon YOU, not me.
Admitting you were right? About it being the umbilical cord? One single image to support your assertion that that's the umbilical cord does not automatically make it right, especially when there's hundreds of other images to the contrary. And since Yukkuri are a fannon created thing, that means the fan's opinion has to factor into things as well, and prior to your comment, it was obvious that most people (on OYP at least) did not think it was an umbilical cord.
In conclusion, you have one, and only one, piece of evidence supporting your claim(and even that piece is questionable), where as there is hundreds of pieces of evidence, AND popular opinion(on OYP), that undermine your claim. However, since this 'work' is the sole property of Ayazou, all of that evidence is moot if he decides to go against it; Thus, until the next image(or next few) of this series is released, we cannot know with 100% certainty which way it is, but with the overwhelming majority of evidence undermining your claim, it is much more likely that you are wrong about that being the umbilical cord, than it is that you are right.
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