I hate to use this word, because only angsty tenth-graders use it, but you deleting those comments in order to invalidate my point is downright ORWELLIAN. Seriously, drop dead easy.
Nope, I'm deleting comments because they go against the only rule we have. If you find any more instances, let me know on the yufanfic boards and I'll clean that shit up.
Well actually, I'm confused. You want to point out instances of hypocrisy when they're just instances of me missing those comments, I go and correct it, and you cry tyranny.
poweryoga, "I'm going to call hypocrite on your end."
That's funny, I was going to do the same for you.
poweryoga said: No its not allowed, hence the lack of those images post 2008. (Check the date of the image) I believe that image was kept around as a prime example of the shit that's NOT acceptable on OYP.
We had a huge argument about this a while back, almost 2 years ago. 2ch had a similar argument, and I'm not willing to go into the history of either. I believe in respecting the artist's work no matter how much you dislike it, and most people on OYP agree.
Just remember: NONE OF US EDIT IMAGES. Only thing that gets edited are translations and those are typesets.
Shit, there's only like 5 artists on OYP. All old edits are done by Japan.
Well, he's got some solid evidence. Poweryoga, hand in your mod badge right this instance. Anyone else in favor of jogiff becoming our new easy mod? He's clearly got OYP's best interests at heart, as shown by his shitting up the comments on FF images.
Yeah and from that day onward, One Yukkuri Place, the place that had everything from yukkuri, from family friendly to abuse, became Yukkuribooru 2 because it's more "fair" and "non oppressive" to transform OYP in a FF site instead of an "All Round" yukkuri site.
Wait, that link you showed poweryoga, is that really family friendly i mean, maybe no bean paste wounds, but they are fighting a yukku invader and the koyukkuris are scared, that isn't very family friendly if you ask me.
If poweryoga had said that edits were frowned upon or discouraged, I would have been fine. post #18380 is fairly benign. The problem is that poweryoga said that edits are "NOT acceptable on OYP" and that "its [sic] not allowed, hence the lack of those images post 2008."
And even that hypocrisy would have been fine, I hate OYP and was itching to leave; then he accuses me of hypocrisy. Double whammy, so I have to respond and since his accusation makes no sense, I used ad hominem.
You don't come here to be a good member of the community, but use silly slips to justify your delusional and hypocritical quest of bashing OYP and labelling it a Abuse site when it's a fucking YUKKURI site.
You don't like abuse? it's fine, this site probably won't be your stuff, since, even with ALL the family friendly stuff we have, there is abuse.
But don't come here to whine trying to make a fake point out of technisimns and your own hypocresy.
You aren't here to enjoy yukkuris in the way you want, you are here to troll, to try to inflate your pathetic cyber ego and think you are doing a change in a crusade that NOBODY asked you to do against fictional violence against magical talking pastries, and against a site that, between other things, accept it as part of a bigger community that also includes non violent stuff and such.
I enjoy Yukkuri pictures and I hate walls of texts. jogiff, if your sole purpose here is to argue with Yoga, I'd like to recommend this place: http://groups.google.com/group/yufanfics. Please go there, start up a thread, and I'm sure you guys can chat up a storm. No need to walltext here. Thank you.
Let me get this straight: 1) You genuinely think that "drop dead easy" is an insult 2) You can't remember things you did a few months ago 3) You don't understand big words like "hypocrite"
No OYP. You are the yukkuri And then OYP was a yukkuri
What's hypocritical is that you keep shitposting on this board while expecting us not to go off and troll your new Booru board. And you know what? We won't, because we're better than that and better than you.
edits refer violent edits of a family_friendly artist's work. Had an argument 2 years ago, I'm sure you can dig that shit up if you want to. I certainly am not about to.
I don't see a problem with humorous edits, and the general consensus was that we keep both types around over me deleting everything. I had already explained the other two violent edits, go read. My point stands as we also keep zattsu's self-edits around, and he's just a full barrel of hypocrisy. Or do you plan to ignore the points yet again?
Rest assured, I have no intention of ever posting on your new board, because I prefer not to stoop to your level. But hey, if you're going to call us yukkuri, that's a good thing, right? You like yukkuri, don't you? They're so awesome and cute and cuddly and nice, aren't they?
1: Go kill yourself 2: You don't have the guts to use your regular account but have to make a completely new one to bash everyone 3: Oh no you can't win by logic therefore insults are the new way to go.
These are DRAWINGS. No actual yukkuri were harmed in the making because. they. don't. exist.
When you play games do you not fight any monsters or humans because they are alive? What's the difference in killing something from a game and drawing something being killed? People write murder stories all the time and some often are awarded for it.
Does "And Then There Were None" sound familiar?
Just go away and don't come back. Don't take any of our translated edits either. Make your own.
@ poweryoga How much of an artist work has to be FF for it to count? 2010-03-30 >> 17228 Tennkoma only wrote one abuse story 2009-07-08 >> 10244 Only 9 out of the artist's 124 pics have the violence tag 2009-12-24 >> 14374 every kanno pic is FF.
@ harouki What a shock, another OYPer misrepresenting my argument. I don't hate abuse, I hate the way the fans rationalize it.
@ nucklavee I don't mind rational discussion. I hate it when people refuse to yield to objective fact. If you have valid points, I will defend your right to make them.
I don't like abuse outside of JUSTICE and it bothers me when I see them get hurt for stupid reasons. But I don't make a stink about it. Why? Because I'm not crazy. I love the cute little moe blobs, I hate the shit heads, I love how they puff up and stretch, I hate how they abandon families and kill "uneasy kids". I am a yukkuri fan, and I accept everything about them, whether I like it or not.
The only reason we have to rationalize it is because asking people to follow the basic first/last/ and ONLY rule of this site fails.
You know what? Screw this. I have stories to write. I don't have to waste anymore time with this. And neither should you. You have your new site. Stay there. I don't see any reason why you have to come back. Yet...you do? Why?
Do you think that if you leave you'll lose the argument? Do you think it'll make you a better man if you stay here and make everyone else leave first?
@ jogiff: If what you really care about is rational discussion and objective fact, then I'm sorry to say that your behavior thus far can't be further from what you're advocating. Claiming objectivity doesn't give you any sort of right to go onto another board for the sole purpose of stirring up dissension and breaking the rules. I doubt you'll find many people who think that's considered rational discussion. Even your former allies, such as Anelaid, are now ashamed of what you've done.
Regardless of what you think of yukkuri abuse, the objective fact is that a lot of people here on OYP have spent many months and countless words to get this site to the point where the rules were respected. Will things occassionally slip past the rules? Of course. It's still a work in progress. But despite the effort that many people have made to keep this place civil, in just one day we have both you and HoF showing up for the sole purpose of insulting abuse lovers. I don't care whether or not you think their justification is correct or not. Why do you even care? Why do you do this? Do you really think it's considered a rational discussion to intentionally create an account just to insult the moderator? How would you feel if someone did that to your new board? Well, I'd hate to see that happen to your new board, because I'm hating what I'm seeing right now.
Don't bother answering. I'm not asking you to yield to objective fact, because there's no objective fact to be found anywhere here. I'm just asking you to be a civil person and drop it. You can be the most objective and rational person in the world and still act like a total jerk. It's obvious that you hate OYP, so I'd be happy if I never see you post in a place you hate ever again. In exchange, I'll never post on your new site, even though I have no problems with FF stuff. Deal? Good. You don't need to reply.
Oh, pretending that you know what Anelaid is thinking? Brilliant! I'll use that strategy...
Your mom says that she wishes you could be more like your sister. She's CFO of a Fortune 500 company and graduated magna cum laude from NYU. Why can't you be more like your sister, Nucklavee?
You know, I had hoped you would be decent enough to cease your pointless intrusion to a place you don't even like. Guess you've disappointed me yet again.
Have you taken a look at what Anelaid has said on the original pic? http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/760726 If you hate Poweryoga so much and think he's a terrible person, then please go take it up with Anelaid for defending him. Go on, I'm not stopping you.
You know, your reductio ad absurdum argument may have been funnier if I actually had a sister. Or if it was actually correctly done. But I don't feel a need to insult your mother or your sister. I'm just going to patiently ask you again to leave and drop your petty crusade. Stop talking about points and counterpoints and all that nonsense, because you haven't been following the conventions of proper debate for a while now. You're just continuing to make yourself look more childish, staying in a place you expressly hate just to trod on the foundations of civility that some people have been trying to maintain. And you know what I really hate? How you're trying to rationalize it for yourself. Intentionally doing something that you know pisses people off, rationalizing it by trying to make arguments with flimsy tactics like ad hominem, refusing to let others take it easy for the sake of your own agenda...isn't that precisely what you claim to hate? You're no different from any abuser on this site, at least in the realm of verbal abuse. Only difference is you're doing it to people rather than manju buns.
All I want is someone to acknowledge the contradiction between what poweryoga is saying about edits and what actually happens. It amazes me that someone can look at these edits that he's posted, edits that he's approved of, and then say that he's not being hypocritical for saying that OYP doesn't allow edits.
OYP users are the most thin-skinned netizens I have ever seen. As soon as anyone questions their integrity, they lose their shit. I called poweryoga out on what seemed like an attempt to dispose of evidence. If he hadn't accused me of hypocrisy, I would have apologized for the misunderstanding and moved on. I just want some goddamned closure.
And ad hominem is not a flimsy tactic, when a person's behavior and his policies directly contradict each other, it's totally valid to call them out on it.
You've already heard our response. What you call "disposing evidence" is just him doing what a moderator is suppose to do: deleting the posts that broke the rules. So what if there are two or three editted images that may have slipped by? There are over 27,000 images on this site and counting. No one else seems to care, why are you making a big deal about it?
Why should we owe you acknowledgement on anything? You came to our site, after openly stating that you hate it and want nothing to do with it, then start insulting people and demanding that we agree with you. You're not trying to make this site a better place, because you don't care about this site. So why are you here? Really, why are you here? Are you that desperate to find someone here who'd agree with you, when you've already made it oh so clear that this place makes you question your faith in humanity?
Look, I'll let you in on a little secret. Regardless of people branding me as an abuser, the truth is that I don't like stories where home invading yukkuri are just killed at the end. I like it when they're set free with the understanding that they don't belong there and are given a warning never to do it again. Since you still haven't understood that what you're doing here is pointless, unwelcome, and in blatant violation of the rules, let me put it to you this way:
Hey, Jogiff? This is Mister Nucklavee's easy place. Doesn't Jogiff have an easy place of his own? Doesn't it have cute yukkuri pictures for him to look at? Can't Jogiff take it easy there? Jogiff can't take it easy here, can he? No, he can't. Then why is he here?
Does he demand mister apology or mister acknowledgement? But why would Jogiff deserve mister apology? Jogiff came to Mister's easy place and made everyone uneasy. Mister and friends worked hard to make this place an easy place for people like us. There were other uneasy people in the past who made others uneasy on both sides, but over time mister rule was enforced, and people were slowly able to take it easy. But now Jogiff is making people uneasy again by breaking mister rules. Why? Because Jogiff thinks that two or three mister images are uneasy? But Jogiff just made even more images uneasy by stirring up mister controversy. Even this family friendly image is now very uneasy because of what Jogiff has done. Yet Jogiff still demands mister apology? Does Jogiff hate Mister's easy place so much that he's willing to make family friendly pictures uneasy?
What is Jogiff trying to accomplish? He's not going to get mister apology, because Jogiff is the one doing uneasy things. Is Jogiff trying to waste Mister Nucklavee's time? But the funny thing is that Mister Nucklavee likes spending time here. Mister Nucklavee can take it easy here. Mister Nucklavee likes looking at and commenting on mister pictures. Mister Nucklavee writes witty comments, answers questions, and even wrote one or two stories for mister fanfic board. This is Mister Nucklavee's easy place.
What's Jogiff's excuse for being here? It's not for enjoying mister images, because Jogiff hasn't made any positive comments. It's not to do anything that this easy place was made for, was it? No, Jogiff came to Mister's easy place just to insult and argue with Mister Poweryoga. But why? What's so important that Jogiff must leave his easy place and come to such an uneasy place for him? Doesn't he understand easy that he can't take it easy here? He wouldn't like it if Mister Nucklavee came to his easy place and did the same thing, would he? So why is it okay for him to come to this easy place? Is it okay for Jogiff to do things that would be uneasy if it were done to him? Jogiff says he came because he was accused of being mister hypocrit, so why is he accusing others of being mister hypocrit? Does he really think only he can be right, and others must be wrong?
This is our easy place. Go back to your easy place, and Mister Nucklavee promises he won't follow. No one is stopping Jogiff from taking it easy in his easy place, but understand easy that if Jogiff comes to our easy place to make people uneasy, then he will not be able to take it easy. So why is Jogiff so insistant on not being able to take it easy?
So go back to your easy place. Do as the cute Reimu angel says, and let everybody take it easy!
>>If you did, you would have noticed that poweryoga posted and/or commented on some of those links. Why so he did.
So what? It's not like it matters. If the posts, which he made before shii made him a moderator, are there, you'll accuse him of hypocrisy like you've been doing. If he deletes them now that you've pointed them out, months after the fact, you'll turn him around and accuse him of being Orwellian, again like you've been doing.
You have your own board now where only family-friendly pics are allowed. You'll never have to interact with us again. Since you seem to think us the worst human beings who have ever existed because we enjoy drawings of ill-fortune befalling talking pastries, logically you should jump at the opportunity to get as far away from us as possible.
But you aren't, because you're only here to start shit.
Well there are 2 edits made by japan you complained, even though we are averagely fine with edits from japan, since not only they do have the artist's feedback, but also since some are actually well done instead of being the silly violent and juvenile types, of course it's all a mix bag since some are interesting edits but quality wise they are lackluster.
The only local edit that was accepted not being the typical cropout by FF-fans of Abuse stories panels, is a pretty tame and funny one, and i mean really tame, compared to some other edits, specially those from japan, that little "nest hole gone wrong" is silly and acceptable overall, an exception of the rule because it's usually enforced overall to prevent more militant abusers to edit FF pics, even though FF people do the same because of those so called "1 shot wonders" of abuse works. Jogiff you are just trying to use technicismn to win an argument and that's not how it's done. You just are failing.
Actually you know what? Screw it, i wasted a comment in vain.
Why are we having this argument? you clearly don't want to come here to be an averagely good member of the community only to troll and shit.
When you are free Poweryoga, i would recommend a massive clean up of this argument and a proper ban for Jogiff, since like HoF he didn't make an account for anything but troll and enforce their ideas.
You have no fucking clue. Some of the "wall of posts" tagged images might have some stuff, but I think most of the shitstorms got pruned or are hard to find.