>Feigning infancy as the ultimate excuse for everything >Immediately blaming others for its own plight to shift the burden of responsibility >Inflating its own importance and pitiability over anything else and demanding special treatment
If any kids ever act like this towards me, then I swear that brat would eat the back of my hand at least half a dozen times. And if I'm dealing with a koyukkuri, then it can rest assured that the punishment for its lack of modesty, responsibility and general selfishness would escalate into heated razors, carving knives, gouging spoons and orange juice.
"Children say the damnedest things", a certain someone on this site said (maybe Hitosura, but I don't remember the exact post where he said that). And that's the exact reason why they must be thoroughly disciplined (sometimes physically) to eradicate such a trait and shape them into the mould of societal norms. And if the "children" here are yukkuris, then it would be more beneficial to just decimate them from the get-go, as their child-like intellect wouldn't get them anywhere even with disciplinary actions.
>Feigning infancy as the ultimate excuse for everything >Immediately blaming others for its own plight to shift the burden of responsibility >Inflating its own importance and pitiability over anything else and demannding special treatment
If any kids ever act like this towards me, then I swear that brat would eat the back of my hand at least half a dozen times. And if I'm dealing with a koyukkuri, then it can rest assured that the punishment for its lack of modesty, responsibility and general selfishness would escalate into heated razors, carving knives, gouging spoons and orange juice.
"Children say the damnedest things", a certain someone on this site said (maybe Hitosura, but I don't remember the exact post where he said that). And that's the exact reason why they must be thoroughly disciplined (sometimes physically) to eradicate such a trait and shape them into the mould of societal norms. And if the "children" here are yukkuris, then it would be more beneficial to just decimate them from the get-go, as their child-like intellect wouldn't get them anywhere even with disciplinary actions.
Tosyl, I suspect you feel you lack any meaningful intellectual discourse in your real life that is why you do this because you bothered to delete your previous post and copy pasted the whole thing -_-
Anyways, I will bite this obvious bait and engage you as I understand your situation because that is how I feel at times:
I somewhat agree that corporeal punishment may actually help in shaping children/yukkuri to become less of an asshole to others but it really hinges on the fact that the children/yukkuri understand why they are being punished and they do not purposely mislead themselves that the one with the power to punish them can only do so because they are in the position (size, power or authority) to punish them disregarding social responsibilities of raising the youth to be less abrasive with their relationships with others.
If the person/yukkuri is well adjusted in the first place they'll learn really fast (and may not even need getting punished but just a stern lesson will suffice) but if they have already had their personalities moulded so much by their previous experiences that any attempt to change their personality is interpreted as an attack on their very identity then you will have a problem.
1. Would I advocate erasing from existence those that will become a problem later on? Sure, but only if I actually have omniscience and am absolutely sure I could not be wrong in my pre-cognition.
2. Would I publicly advocate killing them off? Only if I am legally allowed to do so and I have the confidence of the legal authorities to tell them so.
3. Would this be a form of eugenics, yes.
4. Would this be immoral? Not if you have omniscience and you actually police yourself (good luck with that, absolute power corrupts absolutely) to not go overboard.
5. Would this be socially acceptable? It depends on the societal norms of your country and how willing more powerful countries/yukkuri clans are in respecting your country's sovereignity.
I think I'll avoid poking this topic with a ten-foot stick and use a 30-foot stick on one little bit:
Canttakeiteasy said:
(good luck with that, absolute power corrupts absolutely)
I think this statement is true according to humam reasoning and similar, though I doubt it would be totally true if it were involving a different being (such as an AI or your cat Fluffeh) with a different method of reasoning and nature.
Firstly, I'd like to remind that there exists a maximum limit in punishment that differs between targets and situations; see how a double-handed slap in human kids elevated to death by a thousand cuts in yukkuris? However, it must be noted that this is not meant to contradict with my viewpoint of judging yukkuris (and humans also, of course) by human standards - I strictly referred to the judgement step alone; the execution that follows to carry out the judgement would then vary between offending parties, which may not necessarily scale with the proposed maximum limit stated above: a relatively decent yukkuri that understands punishments and warnings can get off quickly, but a human delinquent with multiple repeated offenses under his belt can enjoy to the fullest what the law has in store for him.
That being said, regarding your points from 1 through 5, I reckon that you're discussing about applying them to both humans and yukkuris? Staying true to my statement of different limits applied to different targets, I'd only consider these points to be in effect towards yukkuris, and would not comment further about their utilization against humans. The last thing I need are foreign saboteurs, bearing the guise of human rights activists, staging mass demonstrations which are planned to evolve into violent riots that would eventually turn into coups to overthrow the government and destabilize my country. Add in the U.S. intervening, embargoing and bombing everything to shit, and you'd get quite a familiar formula that I'd rather have my country stay the hell away from.
Now onto the actual points regarding a world setting with yukkuris, and the questions regarding the culling of stray and wild ones (the most common offenders of public order and safety. Pets are under the responsiblity of their owners anyway, unless abandoned):
1. Seeing how relatively simple it is to predict a yukkuri's tendency, I don't find a problem here (smarter specimens, however, would require secret surveillance to determine whether they're hiding anything from our observations or not).
2. Depending on the most common depiction of stray yukkuris' legal status, they're considered to be vermin, pests, undesirable trash, etc.. This would explain the commercially available extermination methods and abuse tools aimed at harming them, and not to mention public policies such as covering urban trash deposits with nets or walling them off completely, or sending out periodical extermination squads to deal with the stray population in certain areas. Thusly, I believe it'd be perfectly fine to start printing and sticking posters that advocate the destruction of yukkuris, as long as you obtain a proper permission from the local authority to do so.
3. Fair enough.
4. I don't think being granted the right to massacre non-pet yukkuris would be considered "absolute power"; and besides with clearly outlined policies that follow point #2's model, I don't think there would be a risk of of going overboard.
5. If animal rights groups don't have a major role in swaying a country's foreign policies, then there's no reason pro-yukkuri organizations would be able to tell their goverments to go and turn my country into Iraq; nor would the governments themselves pick up on this cause even if they really want to rip my country apart. Regarding opposing yukkuri clans: if they ever dare to pose a threat to my society, then they'd have to deal with 7.62*39mm bullets first. The standard-issue IWI ACE is a fine assault rifle you know; especially for ripping manjuus into indistinguishable masses of paste.
*P/S: before you bring out your favorite Okuu to blackmail my government, I'll just say this: fire trucks loaded with ramune.
*cough* some yukkuri clan builds are very dangerous and cannot be killed easily or should not be killed unless killed in special circumstances unless you want a significant incident or accelerate a yukkuri-human war if certain yukkuri types happens to be the dosu or has the ear of the dosu -_- (most likely to happen to in chireiden themed yukkuris and by extension the subterranean animism yukkuris which would have at least 4 yukkuris with dangerous abilities even without becoming a dosu).
Any state or organization wanting to accelerate Armageddon by indiscriminately killing or keeping yukkuris would highly likely become a rogue actor and would suffer the collective wrath of the rest of the world that want to keep what constitutes as a status quo in any remotely realistic yuniverse with sane people at the helm of world governments.
The way I see it, if yukkuris abilities scale up because of dosuification and some are dangerous even before becoming a dosu then any sane government would try to accumulate as much information about them, identify the dangerous types, find a possible way of keeping tags on all of them (good luck with that), understand the changeling phenomena (and hybrids) if their existence would be tolerated, finding ways of destroying them safely or if it is found that it is too late to do that then to deal with the power players in yukkuri society diplomatically if you cannot take them out.
While I imagine many would initially be violent towards yukkuris (because initially it would not be illegal to abuse or kill them because no laws would be protecting them) and try to kill them even indiscriminately at first, it would only take one stupid attack on a dangerous type to fuck up that country or the world as a whole. If the country or the world survive such idiocy then be assured safeguards would be in place to contain the yukkuris or destroy them (which would increase the likelihood of even more fuckups).
The way I see it, dangerous yukkuris existing would basically start humanity's doomsday clock and the only way to prevent the clock from continuing to run is to ensure that all yukkuris disappear or to build up a world society where a certain powerful yukkuri type is used cleverly to weedout dangerous yukkuri personalities (good luck with that though because that path would create massive ramifications to humans engaged in skullduggery and deception which means a societal upheaval that would cause political turmoil that would create more problems)
--- P.S. A Dosu-Okuu with a clan of the chireiden themed yukkuris is something you do not want to attack unless you make sure to take out all of the clan's certain type of yukkuri (not saying what this is, as it is an important part of a story I have been cooking up. It is obvious though).
Didn't I say "fire trucks loaded with ramune"? No matter how a bunch of Satoris would warn a whole clan of approaching humans, they wouldn't be able to remain functional after being sprayed with high-pressure ramune from a fire hose anyway. Encircle a clan's area with multiple teams armed with ramune tanks and pumps connected to hoses, and send them in, spraying anything in the way except for the Satori recons, which would lead our operators to where the big catch is. Anaesthetize any and all yukkuris, prioritizing the Okuus. Once collected, they can be put into ramune tanks and locked up for a year or two so that their bodies would be dissolved (ramune is a water-based solution after all). In case you protest against the rapidity at which yukkuris get liquefied (something popularly seen in stories), then I've already said it, the dangerous yukkuris would be submerged in ramune for at least a year or two; no matter how durable manjuu dough is, it's not going to hold together in this kind of long-term exposure to water. Once the Okuus' deaths are confirmed, the ramune tanks would then be drained, and the remaining paste used to fuel nuclear power plants.
This should be how a yukkuri infestation is dealt with - a warm, cozy sleep for the victims so that almost no distress signals would be sent out to alert nearby clans. Thusly, the risk of an all-out war would be averted, as one by one, the combative units would be silenced and disappear away from the yukkuri network of connections.
Additionally, to up the ante and solidify the guise of a clan still existing peacefully, armies and governments can adopt a certain technology used by factories and extermination firms, and create a counterfeit "dosu aura" or "dosu signal" (similar to the kind that summons all yukkuris in an area to one specific spot where they'd be slaughtered) after each clan crackdown. This signal, now modified to bear the content of "some humans entered our area and caused a commotion, but we negotiated with them and they left peacefully", would be broadcasted widely to deceive any nearby clans, and offset the initial disturbance during the crackdown. The signal could be further modified to transfer various messages depending on the necessity, and combined with various espionage techniques such as listening devices, location trackers, planting bugs into delegates from a certain target clan, etc., a myriad of methods to pinpoint and destroy dangerous clans can be devised.
Of course, it goes without saying that utilizing yukkuris on our own side would be beneficial in this fight against the yukkuris themselves. From ordering shady drugs of Eirins' to making use of Doremys to lure a whole clan into a sweet sleep that would lead to their capture and dissolution, the possibilities are endless. Intelligence agencies like the MI-6 or the CIA would most likely be the spearhead in this field of yukkuri-based appliances to serve humans in our war efforts.
And you may be thinking about the random abusers who would go around attacking dangerous yukkuris and possibly fuck up the entire planet. Well, an increased number of normal-type shitheads can be bred and released into towns to keep them busy and occupied, while the government handle the more dangerous types. Even so, groups of abusers trekking into a forest looking for something strange to entertain themselves with may be a problem, which would then necessitate swift actions by authoritative bodies to sweep woodlands close to human settlements and clear them of any and all yukkuri kinds that may pose a threat before anyone decide to enter and get the human civilization into trouble.
I do not have much time to post a lengthy reply but ramune just makes most yukkuris go to sleep, they do not turn off their abilities -_- At least that is what all of the stories I have read about them with more powerful yukkuris being depicted (not those idiotic dosu spark cannot harm humans for some reason stories just because)
Also, introducing shitheads to distract random idiotic abyusers that they become satisfied and not attack the dangerous ones (good luck with that) may eventually turn out to be a bad idea because (while unlikely) you can have changelings and hybrids living in your urban centers if those shitheads start to procreate.
And government agencies using yukkuris to weaponize them or their abilities? Sure, that is a great idea but do not even pretend their usage will be just for the eradication of yukkuris. Assuming you can destroy all yukkuris (unlikely, unless you have reality manipulation or planet wide mind control of all creatures) even the ones used and treasured as weapons by humans then you still have the problem of the effect of the yukkuris existence and use to deal with which is not only world changing but no power hungry individual will want to willingly surrender (three yukkuri have a very useful particular kind of ability but one is a whole lot more dangerous because it has more dangerous abilities that you do not want the latter to breed ever or worse hybridize with mokous!)
I am tempted to write more but I have stuff to do. I will get back to discussing this but on a piece I will be uploading tomorrow.
I do not have much time to post a lengthy reply but ramune just makes most yukkuris go to sleep, they do not turn off their abilities -_- At least that is what all of the stories I have read about them with more powerful yukkuris being depicted (not those idiotic dosu spark cannot harm humans for some reason stories just because)
I never expected sprayed yukkuris to lose their abilities, I just need them to stop wielding their powers actively to fulfill their particular function in an echelon or structure, and causing a disruption in the chain of command. Taking the recon Satori as an example, sure maybe they can still read minds when they're asleep, but how will they report their findings to their superiors when they're busy slumbering away? This is what I'm aiming at.
Canttakeiteasy said: And government agencies using yukkuris to weaponize them or their abilities? Sure, that is a great idea but do not even pretend their usage will be just for the eradication of yukkuris. Assuming you can destroy all yukkuris (unlikely, unless you have reality manipulation or planet wide mind control of all creatures) even the ones used and treasured as weapons by humans then you still have the problem of the effect of the yukkuris existence and use to deal with which is not only world changing but no power hungry individual will want to willingly surrender (three yukkuri have a very useful particular kind of ability but one is a whole lot more dangerous because it has more dangerous abilities that you do not want the latter to breed ever or worse hybridize with mokous!)
A Cold War-style story about governmental bodies facing off against each other, not with nuclear threats or conventional techniques, but with yukkuri-derivated technologies would be an interesting one, but that's outside of the scope of the current anti-yukkuri war.
>Feigning infancy as the ultimate excuse for everything >Immediately blaming others for its own plight to shift the burden of responsibility >Inflating its own importance and pitiability over anything else and demanding special treatment
If any kids ever act like this towards me, then I swear that brat would eat the back of my hand at least half a dozen times. And if I'm dealing with a koyukkuri, then it can rest assured that the punishment for its lack of modesty, responsibility and general selfishness would escalate into heated razors, carving knives, gouging spoons and orange juice.
"Children say the damnedest things", a certain someone on this site said (maybe Hitosura, but I don't remember the exact post where he said that). And that's the exact reason why they must be thoroughly disciplined (sometimes physically) to eradicate such a trait and shape them into the mould of societal norms. And if the "children" here are yukkuris, then it would be more beneficial to just decimate them from the get-go, as their child-like intellect wouldn't get them anywhere even with disciplinary actions.
I don't know, man. Where I'm from, backhanding kids is a thing that'd quickly get you a visit from your local law enforcement and/or child welfare agency. Do it in front of other adults and someone might step in -- a good or bad thing depending on who steps in.
I don't know, man. Where I'm from, backhanding kids is a thing that'd quickly get you a visit from your local law enforcement and/or child welfare agency. Do it in front of other adults and someone might step in -- a good or bad thing depending on who steps in.
I reckon corporeal punishment wouldn't be such a popular idea in the West. However it is in many parts of Asia though ;-) Nobody would bat an eye at a parent doing some disciplinary whacking on their kids, as long as it doesn't turn into unreasonable abuse (key word: unreasonable).
I never expected sprayed yukkuris to lose their abilities, I just need them to stop wielding their powers actively to fulfill their particular function in an echelon or structure, and causing a disruption in the chain of command. Taking the recon Satori as an example, sure maybe they can still read minds when they're asleep, but how will they report their findings to their superiors when they're busy slumbering away? This is what I'm aiming at.
A Cold War-style story about governmental bodies facing off against each other, not with nuclear threats or conventional techniques, but with yukkuri-derivated technologies would be an interesting one, but that's outside of the scope of the current anti-yukkuri war.
I do not have too much time as I am too sleepy at the moment but let me point out four obvious things:
1. You are trying to dissolve and destabilize a bomb with the okuus being dissolved in ramune -_-. How is this a good thing? And have you ever thought that spraying liquid ramune through a high pressure hose might damage okuus and start off a chain of explosions (and if you include that hill sized okuu, then game over!)? What do you think would happen if you have a flying okuu falling down because it got knocked out by the effects of the ramune?
2. You did not account for yukkuri species that cannot be perceived at all (never mind that their average personalities are nice because they could still give birth to changelings that may include the dangerous varieties)!
3. Weaponized yukkuris or even knowledge that you can have cheap WMDs at your possible disposal is a pandora's box that will not be closed unless you can make sure all yukkuris disappear making it so that there will never be a chance that dangerous yukkuris to exist again.
4. No power hungry or paranoid individual will want to surrender the power certain yukkuri species might give them (and this includes many sociopaths that will cling to this advantage tooth and nail until it ceases to be or they cease to be). Rest assured that without total mind control of all creatures, some yukkuris are assuredly going to survive even assuming there are no immortal ones existing because yukkuris that provide an advantage (not an okuu) will be kept by ambitious or sociopathic individuals.
1. You are trying to dissolve and destabilize a bomb with the okuus being dissolved in ramune -_-. How is this a good thing? And have you ever thought that spraying liquid ramune through a high pressure hose might damage okuus and start off a chain of explosions (and if you include that hill sized okuu, then game over!)? What do you think would happen if you have a flying okuu falling down because it got knocked out by the effects of the ramune?
Dissolving (the outer skin at least) of an Okuu would be akin to removing the outer casing of a nuclear bomb, and wouldn't touch the internal mass of fusion/fission fuel. As part of the skin fall off, so will some of the paste. The gradual reduction of the paste mass would help in lowering the yield, until the creature decreases below critical mass. Then it'd be simple disposal.
Regarding high-pressure hydrants, you do realize that it's only a conceptual name, and not what the actual device would be right? What I have in mind is something with a controllable output pressure, ranging from a light sprinkle to the equivalent of a standard fire hose. And there would be more than enough methods to prevent a falling Okuu from going Allahu Akbar, with air cushions being just one of them.
Dissolving (the outer skin at least) of an Okuu would be akin to removing the outer casing of a nuclear bomb, and wouldn't touch the internal mass of fusion/fission fuel. As part of the skin fall off, so will some of the paste. The gradual reduction of the paste mass would help in lowering the yield, until the creature decreases below critical mass. Then it'd be simple disposal.
Regarding high-pressure hydrants, you do realize that it's only a conceptual name, and not what the actual device would be right? What I have in mind is something with a controllable output pressure, ranging from a light sprinkle to the equivalent of a standard fire hose. And there would be more than enough methods to prevent a falling Okuu from going Allahu Akbar, with air cushions being just one of them.
Move your goal posts, why don't you -_-
Just admit you did not think that through.
And air cushions to catch a quickly free falling bomb that initially had a somewhat unpredictable flight path? LOL. Only if by sheer luck if you are close enough, fast enough and smart enough to catch it would you be able to pull this off (this is like shooting bird shot at a very wide area and randomly catching a bird that was knocked out of the air, there has to be a lot of coincidences to allow you to catch the bird before it falls to the ground).
I do not have reliable information to base what will happen if you rupture a pure fusion bomb but what we do know is that in some stories utsuhos will explode just by being stressed: http://oyp.yunyah.com/posts/9621?tags=utsuho+explosion. I do not know if what you are talking about is viable on a real life pressure sensitive nuclear bomb let alone an extremely fragile magical fusion bomb with arming mechanisms that we are not even certain of.
I do not have reliable information to base what will happen if you rupture a pure fusion bomb but what we do know is that in some stories utsuhos will explode just by being stressed: http://oyp.yunyah.com/posts/9621?tags=utsuho+explosion. I do not know if what you are talking about is viable on a real life pressure sensitive nuclear bomb let alone an extremely fragile magical fusion bomb with arming mechanisms that we are not even certain of.
According to this particular example, an Utsuho would only be stressed if it is consciously aware of its own condition. Now what if it's just sleeping away in a ramune tank, with some sweet dreams induced by a Doremy to boot?
Another thing to note: technically we are rupturing a bomb, but this is done without physical interactions on a macro scale to trigger it. Sure, there're molecular movements here and there as water molecules in the ramune cause carbohydrate rings to disengage from their polymerized network of the dough skin, but if this much is enough to set an Okuu off, then it would've exploded with every step it takes on the ground.
Or we can just get a Yukari to send the whole thing to outer space lol. If the orgarnization handling the process in question manages to lure one to their side, then virtually all yukkuri problems should be solved.
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