Too dumb to live. I partially want to debate that one. She's not aggravating him because she's stupid. She just doesn't want him to hurt Reimu anymore. Not her fault if he has a bunch of issues. Of course, I see a hundred ways this argument can be shot. Too bad, Marisa. Courage only gets you guys killed faster, especially if you're good.
Hence why they're too dumb to live. Anyway, it's good he's using the yukkuris as stress balls to relieve his issues and anger. Stops him from snapping at people.
I'm with Yukkuri Spark, even if it is dumb thing to do, I will go with something more like too brave to live. I mean, she is not facing anon because she is overconfindent in defeating humans, but just out of a desesperate attempt to protect her loved sister (even if useless and potentially detrimental to them),so I find hard to put her at the same level that yukkuris like post #12815 or post #14153.
I think its not really too_dumb_to_live, but more like a futile struggle against an overpowering presence.
Too dumb to live is "Hey Marisa is going to go defeat all the humans in the town and make them my slaves fuckyeaaaaaaaaaaaa." or "these vegetables just grow out of the ground so go fuck yo'selffff"
Hmm... it's certainly stupid though. If mister is already happily bullying them and succeeding at that, trying to intimidate him is not a clever thing to be doing no matter what the motivation is.
To be honest, I find Marisa's actions to be quite commendable. She cares about her little sister and is willing to do what she can to protect her. Dumb or misguided - you have to admit, if you're a tiny, defenseless manjuu at a mercy of an anon who doesn't care about you, it takes a brass set to do that.
And keep in mind - she's lost her hat, AND she has a pin stabbed in her. Most yukkuri would simply be sitting there crying and whining if that much happens to them.
The only problem with that is having (or imagining to have) a "brass set" is standard for 90% of yukkuri... (Lately, I've been thinking about that, and the answer I've come up with is this: Yukkuri are based on various Touhou characters, and generally carry some traits of their inspiration, albeit in severely reduced form. Well, even the lowest named Touhou character, even the "normal" humans, could probably pulp a normal person in 1 on 1 combat, and handily beat 10 or 20 people. Thus, it should come as no surprise that most yukkuri would believe they could do the same, until they're shown the error of their ways...)
I see the difference in her wanting to stand up to anon in defense of her little sister rather than her thinking she can defeat him.
Had she gone and said something more like 'Let Marisa and little sis go and give us lots of sweet-sweets or else Marisa will crush you!', then that would truly be Too Dumb to Live. Instead, she's enduring it simply to protect her little sister.
As well, it's not really Marisa fault. I mean, all she did was say Reimu is her little sister and she is her family. How are they supposed to know anon has family issues?
I still don't think this is a matter of idiocy. I don't even completely think it's a matter of courage. It's more of a big sister instinct kicking in during the heat of the moment than anything. So what's the final word on this one? Too dumb to live or not?
Poor Marisa. May your impending death be clean and painless. *salute*
The thing is: what do we want to express with "too_dumb_to_live"?
-Yukkuris that are going to suffer/die because they did something that could be considered stupid? I think this will be too generic, for example every home invasion could fit this description.
-Yukkuris that are going to suffer/die because they are plain stupid? I will go with this approach. So the key will be the 'what a dumbass this yukkuri is' feeling.
In this case, I don't feel that this Marisa is facing anon out of stupidity, but for being enough brave/deseperate/have a protective instinct to face the anon she knows she can beat, so fitting the first option rather than the second.
When I first came up with the too_dumb_to_live tag, I think it was for post #11809 . I had applied to yukkuris doing things that are stupid even for yukkuris, like puffing up and trying to stand up to an 18-wheeler.
I wouldn't classify this as too_dumb_to_live, personally.
A lot of this is that it is trying to defend its siblings, so I don't see how its too_dumb_too_live.
Its also funny because its something that can't defend itself so its more of an act of supreme cowardice on behalf of the abuser and most of the people here who have to create an animal they can torture because they are too weak to actually fulfill their fucked-up fantasies.
And its horribly ironic that Tea is a service worker (which I call BS on) since your love of torture in any case means that you should not be anywhere near real situations, similar to what you seem to prefer hear, so you can use it to add to your private fantasy diary you sick, sick man.
@Koban Most people who don't like abuse and comment on it seem to want to start an argument. I don't get why. Its like they think this time someone's mind will be changed, or they're trolls.
Makes me wish there was a "collapse all" option on the comment threads because the long pages of "no u" get real old.
I think it's disturbing that you seem to correlate fantasy to real desire. People can be perfectly functional in society and have fucked up fantasies. It's like saying people who play GTA or FPS games are sick fucks that want to shoot and rob and pillage everything in real life because they find the games fun. You might want to give the ol' reality check a go.
Also, I find it completely plausible that Tea is a service worker because of all the fucked up shit that goes on in the world. A service worker would have a lot more pent-up anger than a guy who's flipping burgers. God knows enough psychiatrists have issues from listening to losers complain all day long.
Especially since, correlation, despite not being causation, would hold that as the access and variety of such games is increasing, the actual amount of violence in societies with ready access to such games is decreasing...
I don't like anelaidlives at all and I think he's deliberately trying to ignite arguments and trolling by this point.
The morality/whatever arguments bullshit are retarded, old, and pointless. Frankly, we could do without this crap, everybody just bounces off the walls screaming for a few days, for nothing. Abusers are abusers. Non-abusers won't like abuse. The two groups won't see eye-to-eye (plenty of examples available!), and we don't need a stupid wall of rage to reach that conclusion.
Although, funny how the arguments against abuse generally consist of the same ones used for the banning of violent media (but I bet the anti-abusers don't cry over games like postal or GTA). What poweryoga said is pretty much true.
Also, there is a difference between violent media and torture porn/guro. I'd say Manhunt is closer to something on the line between what is acceptable as entertainment and crossing the line.
Yeah I snapped a bit because a lot of what is said here regarding Yukkuri torture is a bit too close to what I experienced with my friend's rape and how that turned out, but I did go over the top so sorry for that.
"Its also funny because its something that can't defend itself so its more of an act of supreme cowardice on behalf of the abuser and most of the people here who have to create an animal they can torture because they are too weak to actually fulfill their fucked-up fantasies."
Just to be clear, you think it takes a strong person to go out and torture and murder others?
It's more like this: we read these comics and play violent games not because we want to do those things to other people, but because they are stress-relievers.
Yeah, these images are a way to fulfill our fucked up fantasies...about killing yukkuris, not real people. How can we be too weak to fulfill fantasies about torturing and killing things that don't exist? It's yukkuris that we want to hurt, not humans. Learn the difference.
When I originally saw this picture I thought that in the forth panel the anon was pulling his mother away. Now I am starting to wonder if its the kids pulling the mother away from the anon.
Kiriraitaa needs to do more violence, he is master of mental abuse but we need more episodes with pins like this one. Besides that probably the best yukkuri abuse artist.
Yeah... his mental abuse stuff is pretty great, but his physical stuff is even greater (and often includes the mental stuff too). Burnt kids was magnificent, and it's a shame the series at post #3178 wasn't continued.