Hmm well Harouki remember who was her mother and you may realize that she may had been destined to become shithead at the first slight bad influence or streak of arrogance.
It's far more common shitheads spawning shitheads than shitheads spawning niceheads, the reverse can be applied as well, and in average types it's half/half.
I don't know much and apologize if I am insulting someones knowledge... basically some yukkuri stem cells are extracted and put under a particular grow factor that converts them into a type a cell that produces the accessory fiber.
No no, you misunderstood me, i asked because i wanted to know your take on it, you know, knowledge curiosity. I kinda like to know the origins of this kind of products, kinda part of why in my "The Sweet Taste of Punishment" the anti-yukkuri mix became a product of it's own instead of Mr Bolson's personal mix.
It makes me wonder if they are like blank cells that until they are placed on a yukkuri's head they won't start generating their "unique pheremone or whatever tells 1 yukkuri appart of other".
Since it is said that if you swap hats or accesories between same types they may be mistaken as different yukkuris instead of the same ones.
No, when they steal accessories from others, it's like if they stole their identity, since the accessory kept the identity of the original owner, so i think that what Yuyu meant by steamcells and stuff is some sort of genetical engineering and production, basically producing "Blank" accesories that when applied on the yukkuri, they would adquire an identity through making contact with the yukkuri's cells, or whatever they have as cell like parts.
JIE, That can be what happens next, once the "blank" accessory and the host are linked, it goes under a process of change and adapts to the structure of the host so it feels and smells like the original accessory. Stealing other yukkuri's accessories is fine too, I am guessing that after spending some time with the stolen accessory, it begins to change like the "blank" accessory...
There weren't stories hinting that, i mean the stealing accessory, usually, other yukkuris start seeing that thief as the original owner of the yukkuri instead of the original identity of the thief.
They don't really grow or change, instead, they are like a well placed flesh mask on the face that can fool everybody that is yukkuri and isn't the original owner.
Remember that story of the marisa that got her hat destroyed, was bullied by her family and at the end, took one of her sister's place by stealing her hat, and only the anon realized it because he could see one of the patches he gave her to heal her.
So i don't think stealing accessories would work, at least, without giving away your identity and being forced to live like another yukkuri. In fact, it even happens when other creatures or other species of yukkuris use other's accesories, Dougnut guy fooled a Marisa to kill her wife by putting his cap on her, there is the story of the anon that stole a Marisa's hat and took her family away from her and many more cases.
This "Blank" accesories are really the ideal thing, since, they don't compromise the yukkuri's identity for the sake of an accessory. The yukkuri remains the same without having to live like someone else.
Oh! now I see. I take back the thing about the stolen hat adapting to the thief, and agree with you on the idea that the "blank" accessory is a way for a yukkuri to preserve its identity after losing its accessory.
And Yuyu please don't take it easy and put up some more pages =3
I want to see what happens next! Personally I want Marisa to quit being a shithead and the Reimu to meet a nice firey death, tho it seems anon thinks Marisa is too far gone for redemption
I don't think accessories are that complicated - if a yukkuri believes an accessory is theirs, it is, regardless of who it belongs to. To me, yukkuris seem to run on a "clap your hands if you believe" kind of thing.
Well works say otherwise, unless they are their or as we mentioned here "Blank", they will act like some sort of "identity changing" device, making them look like another yukkuri in yukkuri's eyes.
So yeah, it's a bit complicated, remember, the whole deal of them depending in accesories for recognition to the point that not having them makes them prey of their fellow, already made the whole thing complicated.
Can't say I've read any works that say accessories work that complicated JiE, if anything, every single author has a different opinion on how they do work.
... It's fanon, the whole deal that an accessory won't regenerate, that taking other yukkuri's accessory will make other yukkuri think you are that yukkuri instead of you, that without accessories they can't even be recognized as a yukkuri of any type, maybe even being seen like their base manjuu instead of a "Marisa" or a "Reimu", etc.
The are stories here that show this, and even in the Yukkuri Fanfic Group.
I'm started to wonder how far did you really dig in yukkuri stories, or if you only stick with the newest one and hadn't seen any of the old ones, i could always be wrong about you not checking old stories, but it would be weird if you did considering your "can't say i've read any work that say...." when there are many who do it.
Of course if you mean the whole "Blank" state, stemcells, etc. it's all technobable to explain the properties of this particular artificial yukkuri accessory that works like wonder instead of being like stealing another yukkuri's accessory.
There's no need to insult me. Yes, I've read quite a lot of the old stuff as well as the new stuff, but I haven't seen anything as convoluted as your explanation for the accessory thing.
First i didn't insult you, you see an "you are an idiot" or a "I'm starting to doubt about your intelligence" or anything like that? i'm just wondering if you had seen old works, since to some degree there are hints and explanations about the whole deal of the accessories, of course since they are comics, don't expect technobabble or highly detailed documental like explanations.
And what part of the "convulted" explanation didn't you get? It would be nice if you were precise, i'm more than willing to explain further.
The whole thing is basically summarized like this
1) Yukkuris Accessories are Biologically Personal objects, they have "something" that makes other yukkuris identify the yukkuri.
2) Swapping Accessories, even between same types, always lead to other yukkuris mistaking their identities and believe they are the "other" yukkuri".
3) Because of 2) Unless you want the yukkuri to also get the identity of the stolen accessory's owner, it won't work in a satisfactory way.
4) We did technobable about stemcells to explain the artificial creation of accessories that would be blank and work as proper remplacements, it's derived from the theory that.
That was the whole thing, i dunno how is that convulted, it may be complicated, but, well, guess what? The whole Accessory identification system is complicated by the fact that somehow can make yukkuris tell individuals apart.
Again it was all technobabble, not to take 100% seriously, just using the same approach that some people did about the accessory thing, since many consider they have pheromons and stuff, and since yuyu mentioned stemcells, i considered that it may follow the logic of "Blank Cells that while being attached somewhere they change to be like the local cells".
You may want to drop the technobabble and say that somehow humans found a way to make Artificial Blank Identity Accessories of the same material of the yukkuris that can adquire a identity after putting it on a yukkuri, without any of the inconveniences of stealing them from other yukkuris.
And i'm not browbeating you into my way of thinking, i just explained you what we were discussing. And how it is related to what has been show in past works + what yuyu said that could be a good explanation for this artifical accessories for yukkuris.
Specially when Point Nº2 completely nullifies the whole idea of stolen accessories suddenly changing to fit to the thief's identity instead of, whatever it makes them work, still give the identity of the true owner. So i don't think that power of belief would work here.
If you were trying to explain, then why were treating me if I had run into a room shouting "WRONG! WRONG! YOU'RE ALL WRONG! STOP EXPRESSING AN OPINION THAT'S DIFFERENT TO MY OWN!"? All I was trying to do was show my take on it.
But point number isn't set in stone, I've seen yukkuri with stolen accessories being mistaken for other yukkuri on a few occasions, but never acting as if they were the yukkuri that the accessory used to belong to (besides, most yukkuri don't have much of a personality to begin with), and if this was the case, why didn't the shithead Marisa in Yukkuri Family from the City start acting like the nice one after it had stolen the accessory?
And for point 3 check stories like "Removal of Marisa's accessory" You'll see that basically the only way for the Thief Marisa to go on living is by stealing the identity, it's not like now they recognize her as the one she was before the accessory incident, but as the sister she stole the accessory from.
But in the "Removal of Marisa's accessory", how are the two Marisas any different to show that the thief is taking on the personality of the other one? The family mistake the thief for the second one, but that can be put down to yukkuri stupidity.
You are the one who takes it as "WRONG WRONG STOP EXPRESSING AN OPINION THAT'S DIFFEREN FROM MY OWN", i'm just stating my own and backing it with the info i garthered, i can not agree with a statement and explain why, specially if i have info to back up my reasoning, besides you completely mistook the whole point of why it isn't a good thing to get some other yukkuri's hat as remplacement.
By loosing identity i didn't mean they become the "other" yukkuri, but that NOBODY recognize them as anybody but the "other" yukkuri.
And regardless of what you say, that's not a very satisfactory situation, even yukkuris have a small degree of individual awareness, so they may like it better to be recognized by who they are than living a life on which everybody thinks you are someone else.
You have to see it from the yukkuri perspective, not from our own, on which unless with notorious scars, like the slightly notorious patch in that Marisa of the story, or something else, we would see all the yukkuris the same.
Yukkuris do pinpoint individuals, which makes us wonder how they do it, even between 2 marisas that look the same, somehow the mother and siblings can tell them apart, and if they swap accessories, they will identify the 2 marisas in a different way.
We don't know how the whole accessory thing works and why it works like that, but we know that is so personal that it's like fingerprints and similar unique biological identifications for humans, and the whole act of swapping accesories is like if you swapped fingers with someone, and if you used a finger scanner, the finger scanner would think that person is you because of the finger prints.
That's why the idea of an artificially done accessory that is blank was discussed, because at the end, while you may don't care from your human pov, the yukkuri will get treated differently based of that accessory, maybe their friends wouldn think that yukkuri is another one and either ignore it, hate it or treat it like a complete stranger.
That's why we were discussing this, and why i explained the whole thing, and why i think the whole thing is complicated by itself.
You made the whole like if it were some sort of attack and pinned me the badguy label, when i was looking for a discussion, you said your stuff i said my stuff, at some point you go and say that my stuff is incorrect claiming nothing says so, when while point 4 is clearly debatable, and point 3 was clearly misunderstood by you, there are cases in works on which Accessory Swapping isn't a good choice for accessory remplacement.
Is so hard to discuss? or what we have to nod our heads to everything we agree and don't agree with and that's it?
The yukkuri in this world are those affected By Yuyu's opinions.
JIE's opinion doesn't matter, no matter how much he argues it.
Moonfog's opinion doesn't matter. Neither does mine.
JIE, if you want to discuss things make a thread on the fanfic translations group. All this is looking like at this point is you being dead set on getting the last word against someone that's not in the mood for it.
I made one little post, not really expecting anyone to reply, and it blows up into this...
I did not say your idea was incorrect, I just said my opinion was different. I am not making you out as the "bad guy", or myself as the "victim". I did not expect to write a essay on why my opinions on fictional talking snacks was different to yours, so stop treating this as if it was life threatening.
Is that so hard to understand? Also, stop trying to get the last word in.
There are more people to discuss aspects here, and at the end, many discussion threads in the yukkuri group don't last long or get as many replies and some of the discussions we get here.
And yeah we know Yuyu's have the last word on his works, but i actually discussed the ideas with yuyu and asked him what was his take on this whole accessory pack thing, and it went nicely. We also included what we know of the yukkuris from the fandom to add to the very discussion and still went well.
I prefer to leave matters clear before ending discussions with misunderstandings, and in the end i did got misintepreted in what i mean by the whole "identity swapping" and because i misinterpreted his "works don't say that" like if works hadn't shown the issue of accesories being so biologically unique somehow and how this make the whole thing quite complicated overall.
You know, i don't like to leave lose trends, then there was the whole accusation of "your opinion sucks i'm absolutely right" and the "don't insult me".
People can really get the wrong impression if you leave lose trends.
I don't like people misinterpreting me if i'm discussing, you know, give the wrong impression, and all that, like if you make a comment about something and people think that you are racist, or you are insulting them, or that you are being opressive and stuff.
I like to discuss, but i don't like people getting me wrong. That's why i go on and on until everything is averagely clear, regardless if there is no opinion consensus or anything, but at least having our opinions clear and rectified without any sort of miscommunication.
This story actually pretty interesting I think after all the good time with marisa before the corruption, either a good end with anon's RAGE since it's beyond help or an interesting end like a healing of the corruption both sounds interesting
I'd also like to request more content for this series. It's been interesting so far, and seems like it can really take a brutal turn after Marisa's out of the house.