This picture was directly inspired by the conversations I had with the denizens of this site last week. As you notice, she's not commanding you to eat her shit. She's an inexperienced yukkuri who does not realize that Mister does not eat poo-poo, even though it IS bean paste (quality of said bean paste is up to debate). However, she is of the state of mind that you can train her not to offer shit as a gift.
Such a...well trained yukkuri. Polite, but weird assumptions. I guess that's what you get with third-party badge trainers?
If I had a yukkuri that shit out decent-quality filling, you bet I'd probably eat that up. Then again, I also love buris and would keep a Deibu as a pet. There might be something wrong with me.
@Three Keep a Deibu as a pet???? Erm, do you mean as a pet, to torture, or as a normal pet? Because if you mean as a normal pet, then yeah, I think there might be something wrong with you. Maybe some latent masochistic tendency that causes you to like being insulted and ordered around? XP
Check out the discussion on post #24503 and make your own decision.
Wouldn't give a deibu a badge and let it roam around a house, but I also wouldn't do that for any yukkuri. A large tank? Sure. A single, well-prepared room? Maybe. The house? Hahahaha fuck no I am not letting a talking head have that much freedom, no matter what its like.
@Erfry There's a big difference between Tsundere and just plain being a bossy asshole like a Deibu.
Tsundere = Actually does cares about you deep down, but won't admit it(even to herself) except under extreme circumstances.
Deibu = Doesn't give a fuck about you, and would probably try to kill you as 'punishment' the moment you fail to meet one of its demands, regardless of whether the demand was reasonable or not.
@three Hmmmm. Well, if it was a situation like that, I can see how some people would get amusement from it. Personally, I would probably tire of it after a while, and 'dispose' of it in a fitting manner. (It likes eating other yukkuris? well, lets feed it to a Remilla! Think of the delicious irony!)
By tsundere, I mean the definition that lacks the positive points. Most "tsunderes" nowadays are just obnoxious bitches, completely forgetting that tsundere implies gradual lessening of the tsun and increase of the dere over time.
And yes, a deibu cares about no one but itself (and perhaps it's children).
@Erfry Um, I think in that case the girl isn't actually a 'tsundere'. Maybe the term has begun being applied to any bitchy girl lately, regardless of if they actually care or not, which would stink.
In fact, it was brought to light a few years back by Lucky Star. The character Shiraishi Minoru (played by: Shiraishi Minoru) basically goes on a rant about what a true tsundere is. The tsun-tsun originally was a part that went away with time (though not completely). I think there's a word for a non-dere tsundere (tsungire?).
I'm sorry to tell you this Erfry but that which you draw isn't a well intentioned but nearly ANGER INDUCING mistaken pet, but a Deibu.
Her facial expression and the way her Tongue comes out are typical symptoms of Deibuism, i'm sorry, but i think you'll need to put down the poor thing, Deibuism, like Bawizaism and similar "Shitnesses" are terminal and even dangerous to those around her, you'll make her and the world a favor by putting her down, it's for the best.
And no Deibus aren't Tsunderes, not even the tsuntsun type, you have to, you know, "being attractive" to be an anime tsundere of any kind.
@JIE .........You really should know better then to say that.
A yukkuri is what the author/artist wants it to be, PERIOD.
We only interpret what they draw, and draw our conclusions from there, because most of the art is from artists that don't speak English and/or don't come to this site. For artists that do come to this site, what they say about their own works should be considered 'Word of God'.
So while you are more then welcome to make suggestions and offer criticisms to the artists, you really shouldn't try and tell the artists what they actually drew.
So, please don't make comments with that kind of tone. Because some of the more easily riled members of the bored may blow up at you for it.
When you overanalyse another user's comment/image it's just for the sake of the discussion, when someone does it to you they should be embarassed. When someone gives his personal interpretation on a story and you don't like that, he should base himself on the canon fandom, when you give yours you wonder in public why people don't realise that yours is the correct one. You set your rules, but it's not that the others have to follow them or agree with them. In this period you are quite acid JIE, take it easy!
Maximusfive, please do what he says and don't say anything: I guess people can realise the discrepancy by themselves, and we don't need another 3-4 free posts just because he wants to have the last word. This way we will only have another probably big post in some hours and nothing more.
@Erfry: Poor Reimu, she did her best to give her poo-poo a taste that could be suitable just for humans! I hope that Mister will consider the idea of rewarding her for her efforts, and who knows... maybe Reimu's right and that shit is delicious. Will Mister dare to try?
Anon-Kun when i overanalyze something and someone tells me "dude i was joking don't take it seriously" i always go "Ah really? ok sorry". It had happened before and it will probably happen in the future.
The point was simple i made a joke, he took it seriously and i half facepalmed and half joked about, what was the joke? well if you are a Simpsons fan you may recognize the lines from a certain scene with Lisa Simpson.
Besides, you like to talk about my issues but i you don't see me talking about how you have tendency to discredit any sort of "reason" for being violent on the yukkuris claiming that "none is valid outside of "because they are yukkuris and we like to smack yukkuris" "
If that wasn't your past intentions, then sorry but i get that kind of idea from your disagreement of any comment about why violence happens.
You know a, well Scum/Trash Looking "Good and Well Intentioned" yukkuri, at least based on Erfry's word and if Z-Aki was saying the truth about this "Virtous Trash Marisa".
@Justice As Three suggested, it's from a third-party breeder. Its a little messed in the head: its trying to be polite and suppress it's deibu-side, but the deibu still comes out in the face and the thought that mister willingly eats poop. As I wrote, it'll take a bit of training to get the point across.
Well as long as you got the whole "joking about it having the Deibu Disease" i'm aok. >_> i think i should start using " " for jokes or something. . . like if they arent' less than 2 or 3 lines people think i'm being serious . . .
Ah forgot to mention this, hmm do you have any image editor like GIMP, Photoshop and such? i think it would be better if you wrote the dialogue in a digital medium than with the traditional one, it may help you to make things clear and also let you write more than what you could write with your hand in a limited space.
That's what I'm planning on doing with my future posts. These were all made on 3x5 cards with simple ink pens. I have photoshop, but I still haven't installed the damn thing. It doesn't help that the manual is as thick as a novel. Also, I do suggest using quotes or something. Based on the fact that most people don't know you're a swell guy, they might assume the worse (especially newcomers).
Though I do believe yukkuri are whatever the heck you the artist wants them to be, there has been an inescapable consensus for years. However, I'll have a propensity to make yukkuris more balanced, e.g. slightly more niceheads/"smart" yukkuri then what people usually expect from the manjuus. I figured that if you're going to give them child-like mentalities you might as well give them the good traits along with the bad.
Before it happens and people get in your case about them, never forget about using antialiasing fonts, if you use more "pixelish" fonts, people complain a lot >_> you can see many examples of edits here that weren't done with antialiasing and people always brought that up at least once.
@Erfry Yeah, there has been a consensus for years, but because its all only fannon, no artist really has to follow that consensus if they don't want to. So, while its cool if you decide to follow the consensus, you really don't have to if you don't want to.
On the tsundere joke, I'm used to a lot of internet people not knowing how to properly use certain Japanese words/phrases, so I'm also used to explaining what exactly said words/phrases mean. Hence, why I felt the need to clarify.
@Well....everyone You all do know that it is kind of hard to pick up joking tones from reading text, right?
@JIE I could see you were kind of joking, but you still came across as trying to tell him that 'he drew a Deibu' when he had already stated otherwise, or at least, that's how it sounded to me. Yes, he has said it has Deibu-ism in it, but that was after our posts.
Well the joke was mainly because it looked deibu and since we did joke around time ago about Deibuism being an illness and we went all "ER Drama" about the tragedy of having it and the need of euthanazia i thought it would be fun to replay the joke.
Though as i said, if anything, this yukkuris case resembles more that "Virtous Trash Marisa" by Gesuaki in the whole "it looks like a scum but isn't". . .at least if in the Virtous Trash Marisa case it isn't blatlant lies, but we can be sure it isn't a lie here in Erfry work since he confirmed it.
Ah, by the way Erfry, a lil extra advice as an frustrated ex-wannabe illustrator NEVER try to draw forcefully or because someone demmands it when you aren't "working" for that someone and neither are in the mood. If you try to force yourself to come out with more materials, it will become less entertaining for you and more tedious making you less and less willing to make more material to the point that you may just want to call on quits, or if you take a little "break" (little as in more than 3 months) you may find yourself unable to draw again . . . It happened to me . . . i did stuff pressured myself to do stuff even if i wasn't in the mood, made it became tedious, during university i decided to "take a small break" and when i thought i was ready to go on i found myself unable to draw again, the spark completely gone. . .and now i have a head full of way to many ideas and way little ways to work them out. . .
So take your own time to do your pics Erfry, take it easy and draw only when you want to, since you won't be getting money out of this, there is no hurry.
The reason why I mostly follow the consensus is because I don't want people used to the consensus to go ape-shit on me. Trust me, I'm slowly working towards original material (you can already see that with my pairing pictures and this one). I'm planning on writing a story where yukkuris actually form a working society (though that is sometime off from now). However, I'm not going to totally ignore the consensus either.
People will always have differing opinions, and we should avoid jumping on each other as long as its not trolling. It makes it much easier for us to read through the comments.
It's not possible to reach a conclusion for a yukkuri based on a single picture, so most people will go off their first impression at labeling these things. Ex: This looks like a deibu and people will tag it as such. Anger inducing, etc.
However, If you have a series or a story to go with this, please label it as such and refer to the story. Then we'll tag this as illustration along with some link and retag it as such.
Not trying to start anything but I'm wondering about maximusfive's first comment. You're saying that some "latent masochistic tendency" means somebody has some issues? Yet wanting to smash them with an obvious sadistic tendency is quite alright? I'm not saying either are good or bad, I'm just curious why you think one is okay when the other isn't.
Well in all consideration, one can't help but consider someone Masochist to anybody wanting to keep around a Deibu for anything but torture it, denigration, punishment, etc.
You're right. It was the discussion I had with everyone about that image that led me to make this one. Now that everything has gone in a complete circle, let's close the discussion of this image, as nothing else will be brought out from further discussion.