Yet i wonder what made Patchouli change styles from traditional mage to Magical Girl, specially when Magical Girls are so "physically" active, while traditional mages, and Patchouli, aren't?
Maybe the training with Meiling ala Parapa de rappa finally had results and now she's fit enough to jump around flashing her panties and Royal Flaring enemies at Zero Range? =º
Yet i wonder what made Patchouli change styles from traditional mage to Magical Girl, specially when Magical Girls are so "physically" active, while traditional mages, and Patchouli, aren't?
As long as she stays away from Kyuubee, everything's cool.
Maybe the training with Meiling ala Parapa de rappa finally had results and now she's fit enough to jump around flashing her panties and Royal Flaring enemies at Zero Range? =º
maximusfive said: As long as she stays away from Kyuubee, everything's cool.
QB is probably the only creature aside of Trash Yukkuris that deserve countless ammounts of torture, pain and suffering, and maybe QB gets more priority out of potential dangerous factor which yukkuri don't have, they as much have the potential of in long term fuck up ecology, but that's another story compared to QB's potential of becoming eldritch abomination and shit.
TheodoricBlood said: You mean he isn't one already?
Technically he's but what i meant is, you know, bigger, more fucked up, with murderous intentions, etc. aka changing from evil cute critter (in b4 calling his normal form a yukkuri form) to a proper evil abomination ready to rip appart everything that is good and noble in this world.
I don't agree with calling QB evil. Considering his goal is to save the universe from entropy, you can't really call that evil. (If he wasn't bullshitting when he explained his goals) Combine that with his species/him lacking emotions, and calling him evil is really pushing it.
Granted, I wouldn't say he's 'good' either, but I wouldn't call him 'evil'. Just an unintentional jerk/douche in the way he goes about accomplishing said goal.
maximusfive said: I don't agree with calling QB evil. Considering his goal is to save the universe from entropy, you can't really call that evil. (If he wasn't bullshitting when he explained his goals) Combine that with his species/him lacking emotions, and calling him evil is really pushing it.
Granted, I wouldn't say he's 'good' either, but I wouldn't call him 'evil'. Just an unintentional jerk/douche in the way he goes about accomplishing said goal.
"Unintentional?"
QB lies. It knows exactly what its doing. It had done blackmail, manipulation, implied threats, withheld critical information, and most importantly, QB views humans the same way Anon views yukkuri. It deserves no sympathy or mercy.
To us humans, QB and his kind is evil. Yes, I know drawing comparisons is not city-sect, but to them we are the yukkuri.
QB lies. It knows exactly what its doing. It had done blackmail, manipulation, implied threats, withheld critical information, and most importantly, QB views humans the same way Anon views yukkuri. It deserves no sympathy or mercy.
To us humans, QB and his kind is evil. Yes, I know drawing comparisons is not city-sect, but to them we are the yukkuri.
Hey, saving the world from witches using Magical Girls is a good thing! Not telling the Magical girls that they are simply the stopping point between Girls and Witches however...
harouki said: Hey, saving the world from witches using Magical Girls is a good thing! Not telling the Magical girls that they are simply the stopping point between Girls and Witches however...
QB lies. It knows exactly what its doing. It had done blackmail, manipulation, implied threats, withheld critical information, and most importantly, QB views humans the same way Anon views yukkuri. It deserves no sympathy or mercy.
To us humans, QB and his kind is evil. Yes, I know drawing comparisons is not city-sect, but to them we are the yukkuri.
Probably the only difference is that Yukkuris are as bad as QB while, regardless of a lot of our shit, we are quite a bit higher in the karma meter than yukkuris out of how proportion of "good, neutral and evil" of people.
Anyway I'm no fan of Madoka and his author, the man uses troll yukkuri logic to justify his nihilismn "anti happiness" view, if that isn't enough to not like him (unless you dig that shit).
Skribulous said: QB views humans the same way Anon views yukkuri. It deserves no sympathy or mercy.
So, QB is killing/torturing humans just because he can? He's doing it for the lulz?
QB killing/emotionally tormenting humans in the name of saving the universe is most certainly NOT the same as anon killing/tormenting yukkuris just because they can/for the lulz/cause they annoyed him.
Again, remember that the above only applies if he wasn't lying. So far, the episodes after that revelation have had NOTHING that implies he was lying about his goal. If it's revealed at some point that he lied about what his goal is, then I'll gladly say that he is 'evil'; But until that happens, he is actually working towards the greater good of the universe. And while sacrificing a smaller number of people in order to save a MUCH larger number is a very dickish thing, it CANNOT really be called evil.
To us humans, QB and his kind is evil. Yes, I know drawing comparisons is not city-sect, but to them we are the yukkuri.
Yeah, to us humans maybe, but what about the rest of the universe, hmmmm? what about the (Insert stupid-huge number here) number of species that are going to be saved by the actions of QB and his race?
And if humanity stopped QB, and therefore doomed the universe to heat death, wouldn't 99.9999999999999999% of the universe view US as being selfish bastards/assholes/'evil'?
Yes, I know stopping QB wouldn't 'doom the universe' since there's likely more of his species working in other places in the universe.
I was just using that as an example.
And I know this is redundent, but I want to make sure you get the point. ALL of my argument is based on him having told the truth about his goal. IF he was lying, then my entire argument is INVALID, and I will gladly join everyone in declaring QB evil.
As of episode 10, Kyubey was shown as willing to sacrifice the entire human race, as well everything else on Earth, after he gathered enough energy to fill his "quota". He doesn't tell us if he has all the energy he needs to stave off the heat death of the universe, just that he has the amount he was assigned to collect.
This raises several questions, such as just how much energy does a magical girl turning into a witch actually generate? Can they really get what they need just from Earth? Are they working on other planets? If so, are they just as willing to condemn them to oblivion as Kyubey is to condemn Earth? Given that, his race probably considers every single race in the universe as a source of emotional energy, and just as expendable as humanity. Further given that the heat death of the universe won't happen for billions of years, and that it's highly probable that most, if not all life in the universe will have died out by then anyway, one has to ask: if Kyubey and his race really are saving the universe, who are they saving it for? Based on what we can see, it's for his race and his race alone. So yeah, this doesn't really jive with any greater good argument.
Further, while Kyubey may not lie to people directly, he is quite capable of deceiving them with lies of omission. He doesn't tell anyone that making them a magical girl involves ripping their souls out of their body, that being a magical girl means turning into the witches they fight, and why he's doing what he's doing unless directly asked, and even then he manipulates his words to get the reaction he wants. For example, when Kyouko asks him if it's possible to turn Sayaka back from being a witch, he says "it's never been done before", not "no". Both answers are truthful so far as they go, but the former implies that it is possible. Kyouko goes along with that, and dies as a result, which is what Kyubey wanted when he told her. He knew reverting someone who'd turned into a witch was impossible, and said so to Homura after the fact, but if he said so directly, Kyouko wouldn't have gotten herself killed and brought Madoka, and all her potential energy, closer to making a contract.
Hell, him saying he doesn't have emotions results in people not bothering to remember that even though he may not have them, he does understand them and knows how to manipulate them. Observe him running from Homura in episode 1; he puts fear into his voice when he cries out to Madoka, knowing this will give her an emotional response and come to him. Fear is an emotion, and if he lacks them he shouldn't be able to feel it, let alone demonstrate it. On top of that, since he has a presumably limitless supply of spare bodies, one or more being killed means he doesn't have anything to fear even if he could feel fear.
In conclusion, it's kind of weak to argue a position based on the assumption that Kyubey is telling the truth when he's been actively deceiving people from the very start.
I suppose I'll have to withdraw my argument based on the fact that I simply don't have enough information on that universe, and how things work in it, to truly decide if hes actually acting for the greater good, Since all we really have to go on is what he himself has said....
For the record, if their universe is similar to ours in current age, then heat death is FAR, FAR more then a few billion years away. If you want to see what I mean, go look up 'entropic heat death', or 'end of the universe', on wikipedia and you'll see what I mean. Even if their universe is much older then ours, the fact that planets and stars still exist means heat death is a STUPID long ways away....
I still don't get why people hate him so much, though. I mean sure, He's a villain/antagonist/whatever term you want to use, but he hasn't really done anything too particularly asshole-ish when compared against some of the other villains out there....*Cough*Aizen from bleach*cough*