Ohhh ALMOST, but you're confusing a physical change with yukkuries being too dumb to look beyond an accessory. A human wouldn't see a Marisa wearing a ribbon as a Reimu, he'd still see it as a Marisa.
bluhbluhbluh said: >Accessories can be used to change shape
Ohhh ALMOST, but you're confusing a physical change with yukkuries being too dumb to look beyond an accessory. A human wouldn't see a Marisa wearing a ribbon as a Reimu, he'd still see it as a Marisa.
In other works, yes, but not necessarily in this one. Yukkuri artists have this habit of making up facts about yukkuri however they like, without regards to 'canon'.
FunkSoulBrother said: In other works, yes, but not necessarily in this one. Yukkuri artists have this habit of making up facts about yukkuri however they like, without regards to 'canon'.
Remember that the hat was put on a rock and the father marisa started to act like the rock was her koyukkuri, so i don't think that the marisa claiming "Shape Changing" capacity is the real deal, but just her "yukkuri interpretation" of it, which we know in general are mistaken or barely close enough to the real explanation. The Accesory work like usual, it's jut Marisa having a mistaken interpretation of what they really do.
JusticeItEasy said: Remember that the hat was put on a rock and the father marisa started to act like the rock was her koyukkuri, so i don't think that the marisa claiming "Shape Changing" capacity is the real deal, but just her "yukkuri interpretation" of it, which we know in general are mistaken or barely close enough to the real explanation. The Accesory work like usual, it's jut Marisa having a mistaken interpretation of what they really do.
Doesn't mean the illusion doesn't work on humans as well. They are 'MAGICAL!' manjuus after all. Not that I expect them to, though.
FunkSoulBrother said: Doesn't mean the illusion doesn't work on humans as well. They are 'MAGICAL!' manjuus after all. Not that I expect them to, though.
To leave matters clears "Magical =/= Magic Casting/Effect" sometimes magical things are just stuff made with magic, like talking objects and such, because the object talks, that doesn't mean it will have some effect on you or cast a magic on you. That's why a great deal of the things that affect yukkuri's perspection and such, don't affect humans, it's a magic related to what "makes them tick" than a magic they generate or anything.
Back to this story, it's yukkuri interpretation, which in general are mistaken assumptions, even the clever patchoulis make them, as long as there isn't a human around to explain them, yukkuris make assumptions that while sometimes close, they may also be mistaken.
Unless the author gives a notorious hint or has a tradition of not following the fanon, then we can assume it may not be the typical accesory power, but since there is no hint of such and nooraki usually works with the basic fanon, i don't think we should consider any form of deviation of the "canon".
JusticeItEasy said: To leave matters clears "Magical =/= Magic Casting/Effect" sometimes magical things are just stuff made with magic, like talking objects and such, because the object talks, that doesn't mean it will have some effect on you or cast a magic on you. That's why a great deal of the things that affect yukkuri's perspection and such, don't affect humans, it's a magic related to what "makes them tick" than a magic they generate or anything.
My whole point is that when you have magical creatures, you can postulate them to work in any way you like and have make the same amount of sense.
Anyway, I really hope that was the last flashback we are going to see in this story (although I know there'll be at least one more when CLever Marisa presumably solves the case), since they are getting kind of annoying. It's pretty clear that
FunkSoulBrother said: My whole point is that when you have magical creatures, you can postulate them to work in any way you like and have make the same amount of sense.
The whole thing has nothing to do with making sense or not, but stating that there could be a deviation of the fanon rules when there isn't. I'm starting to think that people are starting to mistakenly assume that because many go "Do whatever you want about yukkuris" that means that no author ever follows to some degree the fanon, and that's not the case, artists like Nooraki follow the basic fanon without much changes.
Maybe what bothers me is that it's very straightfoward about how the nooraki uses the accesories in this story and just adds an extra of "clever yukkuri having a mistaken assumption about accesories, but still being close enough to the real idea." so i don't see much room for any deviation.
JusticeItEasy said: The whole thing has nothing to do with making sense or not, but stating that there could be a deviation of the fanon rules when there isn't. I'm starting to think that people are starting to mistakenly assume that because many go "Do whatever you want about yukkuris" that means that no author ever follows to some degree the fanon, and that's not the case, artists like Nooraki follow the basic fanon without much changes.
Maybe what bothers me is that it's very straightfoward about how the nooraki uses the accesories in this story and just adds an extra of "clever yukkuri having a mistaken assumption about accesories, but still being close enough to the real idea." so i don't see much room for any deviation.
Actually we already have a deviation: Yukkuri in this story will recognize ANYTHING that has the accersory as the Yukkuri the accersory belongs to, rather than just no longer recognizing the yukkuris identity or seeing it as a yukkuri that 'can't take it easy'. Slight deviation and not completely novel as I can at least remember ayazou doing something like that, but still not standard fare.
As for the yukkuri being mistaken about what the accersory does, well, that might be more an issue of the wording noraaki chose for that scene. We'll see whether there's more to the 'shapeshifting' than usual or not.
I have to do it!It's exactly as Boss said!Take it easy and raise this little one!You two!I've decided!The solutionReimu was right!It certainly is strange......Yu!has appeared!"Stupid herd""Stupid yukkuri"What to do?a spark appeared in Marisa's paste brain.And now"Accessory"!"Stupid boss"