ThatOneGuy You are pretty bold stating that this is 'plagiarism' This is the original post http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1233401774 The author stated that this was original In addition, since when did a similar style become the equivalent of plagiarism?
YukkuriSlayer said: ThatOneGuy You are pretty bold stating that this is 'plagiarism' This is the original post http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1233401774 The author stated that this was original In addition, since when did a similar style become the equivalent of plagiarism?
Look at post #23303 and post #23631 Pay attention to the panel at the bottom left in the first picture and the top right one in the second. If you can't see the plagiarism, you're as blind as a bat.
Maybe some artist just felt like filling for Kiriraita's recent lack of works? Kinda how a few artists did some slightly Gesuakish Yu's or all those Kimoaki's tributes.
miiiii said: in this one, they look-alike but theyre different. the artist its just using the animation style, take it easy.
There's a little problem with that:
YukkuriSlayer said: The author stated that this was original
Now, if the artist admitted on basing his style from kiriraitaa, or at least taking inspiration from it, this would've been accepted as a homage. However, this isn't the case here.
harouki said: China quality?
So how long until this shows up in Sankaku Complex' front page?
I don't have a problem with drawing in likeliness to someone else's style (example being the new kimoaki guy and many others) but if you layered this ontop of the original source I guarantee you it'll be 80-90% the same. It's not a homage when you straight copy/paste.
FunkSoulBrother said: Look at post #23303 and post #23631 Pay attention to the panel at the bottom left in the first picture and the top right one in the second. If you can't see the plagiarism, you're as blind as a bat.
FSB is right every yukkuri in this page is taken from one of the two pages he linked. not just "inspired by" they've been copy-pasted then tweaked.
PathOfAbuse said: FSB is right every yukkuri in this page is taken from one of the two pages he linked. not just "inspired by" they've been copy-pasted then tweaked.
Consider the following. Lesser artist wants to get better, so they use kiri's work as a reference. Is there anything wrong with that? Its not copy pasted, it was redrawn.
Yeah, but the artist "referenced" the entire thing. Which is to say, that the artist traced another artist's yukkuri, removed some details and called it a day.
Referencing is when you look at how kiri's faces or hair, figure out how he does it and try to replicate it on your own, with your own stylistic differences in the body or the expressions or whatever else to make it your own.
ThatOneGuy said: I don't have a problem with drawing in likeliness to someone else's style (example being the new kimoaki guy and many others) but if you layered this ontop of the original source I guarantee you it'll be 80-90% the same. It's not a homage when you straight copy/paste.
I agree with this. It looks like pretty much a straight trace/rip of Kiri's with one or two minor adjustments here and there. I think the problem is worse because the artist claimed it was original, when he traced it. Although even if he did admit to copying it, I don't think it would have been much better...
Fragtagonal said: Consider the following. Lesser artist wants to get better, so they use kiri's work as a reference. Is there anything wrong with that? Its not copy pasted, it was redrawn.
To reiterate what I said earlier: Unlike most of the other comments here, I would've let it pass as a new artist using references while still developing their own style, but the fact that the artist claimed that this was totally original work was what cemented it as a total ripoff.
He said the whole style is copied [from kiri] because its his first time drawing yukkuri story. He never said its original, another poster that said it would be nice if his works were original.
That being said, I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt because he's straightforward about it.
my rough, clumsy TL: Dear overseas friends, I'm the artist of this image. I took reference to kiriraitaa's work when I drew (mock) this. kiriraitaa is (one of) the artist(s) I adore most; his work fascinated me very much. It's his work encouraging me to illustrate yukkuri.
I surely know that it's shameful to plagiarize others' work. Please spare me your forgiveness: I have none experience in my first attempt drawing yukkuri, thus need to develop my style through mocking his work.
May I apologize for bringing bother and inconvenience to kiriraitaa.
I'm not the uploader of this image; as I haven't ever learnt English, I can only read your comments with Google Translate. May I use the bare English I know and say "sorry".
Surely the artist is mocking kiriraitaa's work; I assume no one can draw yukuuri very well in his first attempt, anyone? Mocking advancers' work is one of the very important steps to learn, and to develop one's own style.
I wonder if you in the English-speaking places have this experience: in the old days in Hong Kong (when it was still under Britain's rule), children learned to handwrite alphabets by filling up "copybooks". They're merely exercise books requiring you to handwrite according to the examples, hundred times - thousand times and more. Even we copied a lot, we more or less developed our own handwriting styles.
What I'm thinking is, he just started attempting to draw fanart for everyone interested in. According to what he said, he has already proposed a story, trying to finish it in about a month. He also has stated that it's his first time to draw yukkuri without any skills or talents in drawing, so he'll be mocking style of artist for "House-yu" (i.e. kiriraitaa). "Original" was never claimed at all. At the end of the day, the (observable) population of yukkuri-fans is still small. We can see the emerge of every new artist, his growth and development. Unlike universities and research institutes, paying homage to someone in a small group seems inevitable.
Can he make a good story? I hope so. Could he handle the acknowledgment issues better? Yes. Should we expect a newbie to draw his work all by his own? I don't think so. Is it too demanding to ask a newbie to construct everything in his first attempt? You think. May he present us a good story with newbie art? Perhaps. Can we give some appreciation and encouragement and suggestions to a starter? Sure. Are you going to interrupt a potential artist? --Whazz'z mishter tallkin'! Mishter who can'd dakke id eazy soot dwop dead eazy!
Take it easy, mister.
btw, I've seen there's second image drawn. I shall upload and translate it when the argument here finishes. (Or did somebody already do that?)
moi86 said: Who cares, he is another artist who is entertaining us for free, be grateful.
This, copy or not, it looks good enough and if the story is fun, it's fine. Doesn't matter if it's a copy, a tribute or whatever, but that a yu story is delivered.
It's not like OYP ever took art seriously outside of some truly trollstatic shitstick art style.
And besides, from the looks of it and the translation, he'll be doing something I wished kiriraita did time ago, Shithead/Scum yukkuris that look darn cute instead of fugly as fuck, so even more reason for the guy to go on.
So please Qazse go on with your work, what matters is the story, if anybody complains, you can count with my Axe.
Wow, you guys are really hostile towards on the newcomer. He mimicked Kiriraitaa, big deal. This isn't the Louvre, don't have to give him shit for copying another artist's art style.
heptoct said: my rough, clumsy TL: Dear overseas friends, I'm the artist of this image. I took reference to kiriraitaa's work when I drew (mock) this. kiriraitaa is (one of) the artist(s) I adore most; his work fascinated me very much. It's his work encouraging me to illustrate yukkuri.
I surely know that it's shameful to plagiarize others' work. Please spare me your forgiveness: I have none experience in my first attempt drawing yukkuri, thus need to develop my style through mocking his work.
May I apologize for bringing bother and inconvenience to kiriraitaa.
I'm not the uploader of this image; as I haven't ever learnt English, I can only read your comments with Google Translate. May I use the bare English I know and say "sorry".
One thing; I see the word "mock" used several times. I don't know if English is your second language, or if it might be a different culture thing (US vs UK vs AU vs etc. English). While the term mock does mean "to imitate", it's much more commonly used to mean "to make fun of/to belittle/to insult". A more exact term to use would be "copy" or "imitate".
Skribulous said: Well, there you go. The artist already said he never claimed this was original. Accusations retracted, apologies made, and issue is settled.
Toawa said: One thing; I see the word "mock" used several times. I don't know if English is your second language, or if it might be a different culture thing (US vs UK vs AU vs etc. English). While the term mock does mean "to imitate", it's much more commonly used to mean "to make fun of/to belittle/to insult". A more exact term to use would be "copy" or "imitate".
My bad. I isolate the word directly from "mock exam" while I can't think of another word at that moment. "Imitate"... learn it by heart.
i know i'm late cometing on this but sense he posted new pages i figure now would be a good time to say thing after reading most of the comments left by a good lot of you i can honestly say this
and i'm probably the biggest one of all, thought some of you come pretty close
Hand over mister sweet-sweets quickly, or you'll be hurt-hurt!Such an easy place! This is now great Marisa's place.Sweet-sweets? Do you mean sweet food?Hand over all you have DA-ZE~Mister human who can't take it easy should drop dead easy!*yu* *yu*