If yukkuris exist in real life... (deleted)

If they exist in real life and are exactly like how the fandom portrays them, will you abuse them for any or no reason? Will the governments and "animal rights society" of the world even allow it?

I don't know if I should mention this but...

Game2015 said:
...Now that the story is finished, I probably won't be coming back here again after making this post.

Sorry for bringing it up. It just nagging me. With that done, now to the topic on hand.

Do you like dolphins? They are quite cute and seem intelligence. There are also many reports of dolphins saving surfers attacked by sharks and try to get them to the shore. Such a nice animal eh?

Now let's talk about swine. You know? Pigs. Disgusting creatures, filthy, bloated, and smell terrible. Calling someone a pig is basically means you are inviting a fight. They also have stupid looks on their face as they rolls in mud. I do like one on my dinner plate though.

Btw. Did you know that dolphins rape their females and killed their young sometime with no apparent reason? They also enjoy killing for fun, prolonging their play things suffer just because (http://scribol.com/environment/bottlenose-dolphin-the-only-marine-animal-that-kills-for-fun). Oh and pig is quite an intelligence animal. Some research suggest that they are smarter than dogs and three years old human (http://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/pigheaded-smart-swine/). They can learn sign language. Recently some brain research suggest that pig brain is quite similar to human, and they are currently use by some scientist to make some experiment on human cognitive ability.

I think I don't have to go in details what I want to say.

There is no such things as 'inborn rights'. Even human rights have to be fight to attain and sacrifice to hold on to. Governments did not set rule to protect thing on whim or innate set of moral. They did to protect interest or respond to society request. In the end, dolphins have better publication, and pigs are delicious (based bacons...). I don't think anyone will warm up toward talking dough that insult and talk down to them though.

PS. Sorry for any miss spelt. Can't really muster effort after long work day.

Since yukkuris are animated manjuus, they may be treated more like food than other animals. However, the ability to communicate using human languages would make governments consider whether to consider them as lowly animals or as beings with sentience sufficiently enough to gain personship.

Merciless_Anony said:
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Keyword: probably

If I remember correctly, I heard or read about dolphins raping humans and pigs actually being very smart.

Even so, pigs not being treated as highly as dolphins doesn't mean you won't get into trouble if you kill them for fun and not for food. The same thing likely applies to yukkuris if they exist in real life, and perhaps more so due to them having almost human-like behavior.

alphawulf95 said:
Since yukkuris are animated manjuus, they may be treated more like food than other animals.

Not sure if people in real life want to cook and eat something that can talk and cry for help while being prepared...

The thing about the whole issue of yukkuri treatment is that the stories and their authors shape how the characters therein are treated. The authors govern how people react to the creatures. There are hundreds of different stories with different rules and different perspectives.

Does that affect how they'd be treated in real life? Nope. Chances are they'd be treated just like any other animal, albeit one that happens to have a capacity for human speech and other inexplicable characteristics. In fact, those qualities might make it hard for humanity to completely slot yukkuris into the animal column. Lots of questions that'll be raised...

Will I abuse them? Nope. That's not my style, no matter how annoying they get. On the other hand, some people get their kicks out of throwing puppies off bridges or pulling the legs off crickets. Or burning ants with magnifying glasses.

Yeah. After all, even as we enjoy abyuse, each of us have preference. Some prefer justice, other like punishing scum. All the while there are those who's fine with nicehead getting abuse.

I myself wouldn't mind light abuse the nicehead. After all, I sometime play harmless prank on my doge and cat. And I wouldn't mind abyuse some scum as stress relief.

I would think people would look down on the Abyuser and treat it as very bad character. Imagine someone you know find out you follow yukkuri fandom.

If Yukkuri actually existed, Society would (probably) be significantly different. Why? Because Yukkuri would be undeniable evidence of the existence of "magic".

"Magic" = Some kind of unexplained, "mystical" energy, that seemingly defies multiple Laws of Physics(as humanity understands them).

Do you really think humanity wouldn't investigate the HELL out of this "Magic"? Odds are, we would have made various discoveries based on "Magic", and what we would be able to develop with said discoveries could drastically affect how our Society developed.
After all, for the appearance of yukkuri to cause anything other than mass panic and hysteria, and probably all kinds of religious turmoil(depending on the religion), they would have to have appeared long before modern times. Likely, they would have appeared around the time Manju first appeared, which, if you google manju, is either ~700 years ago, or over 2000 years ago.
(The japanese Manju was "developed" ~700 years ago, and was based off of the Chinese Mantou, which has been around since BEFORE the Han Dynasty, which began around 220 BC. Since Mantou are basically Manju anyways, I personally would say that that's around the time Yukkuri would appear.)

With 700 - 2000+ years of Yukkuri being around, as undeniable proof of magic, I imagine humanity would have discovered a LOT about "Magic", and thus our society would probably be vastly different.

How humanity would treat yukkuri? That......is kind of a can of worms I don't wanna open, as I would try to realistically look at how humanity would react to them, and there are certain groups that I might offend if I point out how they might realistically react to Yukkuri.

......actually, now that I think about it, if Yukkuri appeared 2000+ years ago, or even just 700 years ago, odds are that humanity would have driven them to extinction well before modern times, for various reasons.

Game2015 said:
are exactly like how the fandom portrays them

You're gonna have to get a little more specific than that... there's alot of variation on how different authors portray them.

For instance, if they were Kiriraitaa's mostly oblivious happyheads I'd probably capture some and keep them in my house and feed them scraps and be like 'MAN YOU ARE SO CUTE!'

But if they were Hy835230's organized urban criminalheads I'd probably kill them wherever I saw them because they're a general nuisance and they're dirty and smell bad.

And finally if they were Poweryoga's yukkuris, well, I guess I'd fighting for my survival alongside the rest of humanity against the cosmic horrors that are Yukkuris of War.

Another possibility. Some organization contain yukkuri to shield the society from knowledge of magic. Treating it as SCP-xxxxJ Talking Manju

zidana123 said:
You're gonna have to get a little more specific than that... there's alot of variation on how different authors portray them.

The generally accepted characteristics, such as different species having different fillings, melting in water, stalk and mammalian pregnancies, and maybe a few others.

If I am given the choice between killing or torturing yukkuris that are pests, I'd choose the former, because ending animals' lives is more humane than making them live through painful experiences that make them wish they were dead. People with the right mind don't handle pest problems by capturing the animals responsible and torturing them; they either send them away to somewhere else or kill them outright.

I think the difference between yukkuri and animals is that yukkuri are smart enough to know better. If a yukkuri takes a dump on the carpet when it knows it shouldn't and you told it not to, like, five seconds ago, that's not being dumb, that's being intentionally offensive.

Beating on someone weaker than you is totally not cool, but when they go as far out of their way to piss you off as they're often shown to, and they're as common as they're often shown to be, would YOU have the patience to keep from losing your shit?

The small proportion - at least I like to think it would be small - of people that abyuse for fun rather than out of frustration would be hard to pick from the crowd of enraged office workers that just want to get on with their day.

Sure, it would be illegal, and sure, there would be yukkuri rights activists clamouring about it, but it would be hard to police, and frankly I don't think many governments would bother. It wouldn't win them many votes, after all.

Me, I won't. I'm always a proponent of the "kill them and be done with it" approach rather than abyuse.
Abyuse feels like bullying for me no matter how much the yukkuri are asking for it.

I believe in real world, most peoples would be indifferent. They might just push away annoying yukkuri and call the public service if the problem persist. Remember, killing yukkuri also means leaving huge mess. Torturing yukkuri will cause lots of noise that annoy passerby, bringing unwanted attention.
Also, act of violence are usually looked down by the society. Even just punching the wall. They worried that it's just a first sign to worse violence coming, and treat you like a threat factor.

Unless we are talking world like in Anko where the large population is dangerously addicted to abyuse and treat someone who torture yukkuri in public like somekind of model citizen or superstar. And killing yukkuri in abyuse world does cure anything from day-to-day stress to cancer.

Perhaps I don't have to bring up the fact that in real life, we will definitely never see merchandises made using live yukkuris and abuse-themed entertainments and attractions made for the public.

Merciless_Anony said:
Another possibility. Some organization contain yukkuri to shield the society from knowledge of magic. Treating it as SCP-xxxxJ Talking Manju

Why is that NOT an SCP yet?

zidana123 said:
You're gonna have to get a little more specific than that... there's alot of variation on how different authors portray them.

For instance, if they were Kiriraitaa's mostly oblivious happyheads I'd probably capture some and keep them in my house and feed them scraps and be like 'MAN YOU ARE SO CUTE!'

But if they were Hy835230's organized urban criminalheads I'd probably kill them wherever I saw them because they're a general nuisance and they're dirty and smell bad.

And finally if they were Poweryoga's yukkuris, well, I guess I'd fighting for my survival alongside the rest of humanity against the cosmic horrors that are Yukkuris of War.

And if they were Haa's yukkuris........

........*shudder*

Honestly one of my problems with a lot of Yukkuri fiction ESPECIALLY when it involves a yukkuri-rights organization is that they underestimate the insanity and capability for violence in animal rights activists and the like, and seem to portray them as harmless or there was that one were it had an anti-yukkuri organization targeting the pro-yukkuri activists, if anything it would be the other way around.

Why do I say that? Look up "Negotiation Is Over" for an example of an organization that advocates for violent action (Yes including murder and torture) against any non-vegans, they have been responsible for a TON of violent terrorism related incidents against anybody but other vegans, often times against researchers and scientists and their families, friends, and loved ones.

We would probably see something similar if Yukkuris existed and I can assure you they would be anything BUT "harmless."

Game2015 said:
Perhaps I don't have to bring up the fact that in real life, we will definitely never see merchandises made using live yukkuris and abuse-themed entertainments and attractions made for the public.

Uh... I'd like to point out that you're misusing the word 'fact' here. A 'fact' is something which is proveable and/or has happened. We're talking about a hypothetical scenario based on the conjecture of a fictional creature existing IRL. It's a classic Socratic Supposition. You can't claim anything relating to this kind of discussion as 'fact,' because it's a supposition only. It hasn't happened and it can't happen.

And as far as no live yukkuri merchandise and abyuse-themed public attractions, maybe that would be true of western societies... but I'd like to point out that in real life, the general level of sensitivity/squeamishness that the west has toward animal death and suffering is not representative of viewpoints all over the world, particularly in East Asia.

For instance, Koreans eat living octopi in order to enjoy the wriggling sensations as they swallow, the Japanese practice ikizukuri, which is the slicing of sashimi servings from living fish in front of the diner, and the Chinese seal living goldfish into water-filled plastic bubbles and use them as novelty keychain ornaments.

When you see comics about yukkuris having their mouths and anyarus sealed and attached to keychains, or a streetside yukkuri sushi stand mutilating a living koyukkuri in order to 'increase the flavor,' these are not practices the authors have invented. These are often extrapolations of practices which already exist in the real world and just applied to yukkuris.

And as for public spectacle, I don't know much about what the Koreans or Japanese might do, but I myself as a Chinese have dined at a Chinese restaurant called 蹦蹦鱼, that is, Hop Hop Fish, whose logo is a pair of fish happily jumping out of a pond. The conceit is that servers bring a pot of boiling stock to the table, and still-living gutted and cleaned fish in a separate bowl. They then dump the fish into the boiling stock and clamp a glass lid on the pot, and the diners enjoy the sight of the fish jumping about in agony and stirring up a white froth in the pot with their death throes. And of course when the diners eat the fish they're eating an animal who has died literally seconds before, so the 'freshness' is guranteed.

The Vietnamese have... this. I don't even know what this is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zohj14jlTCU

So... yeah. I don't see that yukkuris would be exempt from these practices any more than currently existing flesh-and-blood animals are. And it's not like it's difficult to stop them from screaming, so as not to disturb some people who might be sensitive to such a thing. A quick dab of flour and water will seal the mouth instantly.

zidana123 said:
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Actually, I was referring to "Yukkuri Shopping Network" products when I said "merchandises made using live yukkuris," not food products...

Anyway...

Like I said, yukkuris can talk, and people with the right mind probably wouldn't want to eat something that perfectly understands what it is saying. That differentiates yukkuris from animals in real life, because the latter that people eat raw don't, for the most part, scream in terror as they are being prepared and eaten. This makes one empathize the former more.

Ask yourself: would you rather eat food that is silent or at least makes incomprehensible cries or one that begs you not to eat it and cries for help?

In the very least, eating live yukkuris won't be as widespread as what we see in fan works, and maybe even be frowned upon by some.

Game2015 said:
Actually, I was referring to "Yukkuri Shopping Network" products when I said "merchandises made using live yukkuris," not food products...

If you're referring to "Yukkuri Shopping Network" products, you probably should have used the words "Yukkuri Shopping Network" in your post. Also you did not specify 'non-food' items. Food is a type of merchandise and it certainly could be made from live yukkuris. Your statements are only as specific as the words you use and if you don't use the proper words people will tend to misunderstand what you're trying to say. I'm sorry, but this one's on you.

I suppose the really bizarre things like "Yukkuri Anyaru Abyuse Tower" or the "100% Force Transfer Yu Slappy Stick" (or whatever other silly things) you see on the Yukkuri Shopping Network probably wouldn't be made if yukkuris were really real. But as far as non-food merchandise made using live yukkuris, I refer you to the existence of those Chinese live goldfish keychains. Making merchandise from living animals is a thing that already exists.

And the whole screaming thing is already addressed by certain comics, in which yukkuris that are made into merchandise or living food have their mouths and anyarus sealed so they don't make a fuss or a mess.

Me personally, I don't actually know what I'd prefer between silent food or screaming food. Probably silent food, but not because of any empathy reasons. I think I'd just find the screaming annoying, mostly. I've accepted emotionally and intellectually years ago that pretty much ALL non-fruit food that I eat desired at some point to not be eaten by me. Whether it's pigs or fish or apple worms or even cabbages. Sure, some of these things may not have a will, or sapience, or consciousness, but nothing wants to die and be food, even if it's at an abstract genetic level (see cabbages, cabbage caterpillars, and parasitic wasps). And I've just accepted that this is just a thing that has to happen for me to live.

And to be frank, I don't think there's really a difference between the verbal vocalizations of a yukkuri and the nonverbal vocalizations of most animals. They're equally understandable to me. Take the puff-puff, for instance. Yukkuris do puff-puff, and they say things like 'LOOK HOW BIG AND STRONG MARISA IS! MARISA'S SUPER SCARY WHEN I'M ANGRY!' Well, when say, a dog growls and shows you his teeth, they're effectively saying the same thing. 'LOOK HOW BIG AND SHARP MY TEETH ARE I'M SUPER SCARY WHEN I'M ANGRY!' They're both expressing the desire for you to go away and leave them alone.

Now, I recognize that my views are very different from the majority view on yukkuris, and that most people ascribe some kind of greater sapience or expected level of behavior or give empathy towards them because they can communicate verbally. And I think you're right that because of those reasons, eating live yukkuris would probably not be as widespread as they are portrayed in comics.

But that's a big difference from your previous post wherein you claimed it was a 'fact' that such things would 'definitely' not happen.

zidana123 said:
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Funny thing is that I originally did put "Yukkuri Shopping Network" in that post, but then took it out for reasons I cannot remember when proofreading it.

I read about animal key chains before, but wasn't sure if the animals were alive or not. I looked it up and it's apparently something frowned upon and exists only in China, where animal rights is almost non-existent. The point is that even if products made from live animals exist, it is not widespread and deemed unethical among most people. It's not something you see being sold in large quantities in your local department store or something you can sell without getting criticized.

And at least the animals will eventually die and be freed from their sufferings, whereas fan works usually show yukkuris being kept alive forever somehow or at least a really long time.

I know that in real life, there are indeed people who abuse animals for fun, but they are the minority and may get into trouble with the authorities for their actions.

Basically, if yukkuris exist in real life, don't expect abuse to be something almost everyone in the world enjoy doing on daily basis.

Deleted this post because I accidentally responded to my previous post when I wanted to edit it...