And Yukkuris can be cute, while not being retarded moeblobs that have stupid reactions for the sillies thing and while not being ultra disguting and over expressive.
This bunch are plainly disgusting and yes, very Rage Worthy. Sometimes i wished artists didn't make just pics of the home invasion without the inevitable outcome, it makes me feel like something is missing, aside of raging a bit more.
You know like if they tell you a story and they cut it when the dragon or the ogre comes out and attacks the village, and you go "so? what happened next?" but you only get silence as response.
Hmm now that i think about it, isn't this part of Nankokuaki's works?
A retarded bun pissing and shitting all over your floor after they've broken everything in the room, which will then call you a shitty grandpa when you confront them isn't cute.
Justice: It is indeed part of Nankokuaki's. However, there's a limit to how many tags are displayed in the bar, and are ranked on how populated they are. As there is not much from him at the moment, he's lower down the list and thus not displayed.
There are several small instances of cuteness in the pic. You are choosing to look at the whole pic I am looking at parts of the pic as well as the whole. I can appreciate the artwork better that way.
Cute is subjective. Are we really arguing over who thinks what is cute? I don't know what's more annoying, coker going around labeling everything cute or the ensuing mob that rallies after.
poweryoga, cute can be subjective, but there is, well, let's call it a limit or a time on which even subjectiveness won't make the point valid.
It's hard to find this pic any cute, i'm not sure how cokerpilot does, but considering all the disgusting and rageworthy aspects here, it's hard to see any cuteness here, even those he mentioned are either disgusting (the typical deibuish long ass tongues) or plainly meh (the marisas).
It's clearly not like Kiraiita's "True Happiness" that, regardless if it may reach annoying moeblobing, one can say "yeah some may find it cute since they are cute at some degree".
Well, I find it hard to find pugs cute but yet quite a lot of people do....
Even if nobody else here but him finds it cute... it's easier to just ignore him instead of arguing about it. I'm not sure how he thinks these little shits are cute, but I'm not sure it matters either. People find the weirdest things cute, and in the end its still just his opinion.
Just like how it's my opinion that these are little shitheads that need to be crushed out of existence, it's also his (weird) opinion that these are adorable (somehow).
This isn't even a discussion of any sorts. It's just another back-and forth.
Pugs are the best dogs, crippling health issues aside.
So, that's some nice pencil skills on this drawing. Not overly detailed, but the large number of things going on had to be time-consuming to sketch out and shade.
How in gods name did you get the idea that I thought these were adorable? The kos are for the most part cute the rest are not that's all. Sheesh. Yes they need to be exterminated but that doesn't stop the little ones from being cute.
Moving on
This artist is very good at his shading technique I wonder how much time he spends on it.
I still don't think that any, neither the Kos, are cute but whatever.
Maybe we should think of good ways to make sure none escape if we are the anon that finds them, since there are so many and i bet non of us would like a single one of them to escape, specially when their method of entrance and potential exist is so close.
Wonder if dashing to the broken window in the middle of their initial trashtalk would be a good start...
@Toawa That would work if you realize the situation before entering, ironically it may not be unlikely if you're someone living in the yukkuri world and you became genre savvy enough to first check your back door for hints of intrusion, block the hole, broken window or open door, and then, enter like normal.
@cokerpilot I'm not sure if it would be that good to leave one to escape, remember this are yukkuris, chances is that escaping, no matter how beaten up they are or how much you torture them, will give them a false sense of superiority ala "i outsmarted the uneasy human" and would probably brag it to other yukkuris so nothing would change, at least if your point was as it becoming an example and telling the others how uneasy mister humans were and how they shouldn't go to their "easy" places.
Maybe doing like that fanfic on which they impaled a live yukkuri on a stake woiuld be mroe effective, making sure to not destroy the core and mouth so it would remain alive, drench it in orange juice so it would heal it's wounds and techncially remain fixed to the stake, then leave it outside where other yukkuris may see it.
Of course this solution is better for isolated enviroments or places where it's a common practice and nobody minds because: 1) Lover Groups would make a fit out of it, regardless of th yukkuri's offenses 2) it may bother neighbours and if they won't tolerate it, then it's clear you can't do such a thing for respect of your neighbours.
A valid point. Still I was also think along the lines of hopefully ingraining the uneasiness of humans into it's pate memory so that it got passed along to future generations.
The point is that, they do know that humans are uneasy, though truth be told is more like we can't take it easy because others don't let us, in this case, the home invaders or shitheads, humans can take it easy when they want to and nobody bother them.
Yet, even if Yukkuris know that we, in their standars, are uneasy, that won't necessarily mean they'll stop trying to "take over" our easy places and easy mister vegetables. uneasy =/= dangerous avoid at all cost, uneasy for them is like calling someone disgusting, horrible, criminal, unworthy of existing, etc. Not being a scary being or a dangerous being, one of those can be uneasy, but a uneasy thing isn't necessarily dangerous or scary in their mind.
So the point would be for them to put us, finally, in the same tier of those animals they wouldn't dare to attack unless a Dosu is around, like the Mr Bear the Mr Wolf and all those big predatory animals that they know they can't do shit against.
It is indeed. Some humans build homes, other humans pay for them in a mutually agreed deal. It's understandable that people get pissed off at yukkuris for trying to take over without any consent or compensation.
That's the whole deal, Yukkuris never abide to "Consent and Compensation"
They just take everything away without giving back and not caring about what the other think since they arrogantly think it's their natural right to demand and take away, some humans may do so, but some do compensate for everything they take, 1 human may be taking down trees, another is planting them, one human is fishing another is breeding fishes, etc.
Yukkuris lack this, reason why it's usually agreed that their version of taking it easy leads to some serious enviromental issues, while, ironically, only those yukkuris that approach to the "give and take" mindset of humans are the ones that seems to avoid this, but sadly they are a notorious minority, even more proportionally smaller than the % of wicked and non wicked humans.
To make matters worse, it's not like they are trully powerful or dangerous as creatures, they are weak, level 1 and newbies fodder, hell even the Dossukuri with it's power, would probably be a level 10/15 character fodder since while the Dosu Spark is powerful, Dosu Itself can be dealt easily with any sort of human weapon or physical prowess.
So basically you have a being that while being bad, it's even worse than mankind, yet, they are way more weaker and not smart at all.
So yeah, you'll be angry when something like that tries to take away your stuff or fuck up nature. At least humanity can fix nature with it's own hands and be self aware of it's actions.
That's funny as all yukkuri are not the same the same way humans are not all the same. But yukkuri are not worse then mankind as humans can cause more damage that can be restored.(Case and point the Gulf Coast.) History shows humans to be like little boys playing with matches. What we live with now is only what has not been destroyed. Yukkuri have been shown to live peacefully with themselves and others before but have been killed by uneasy humans. Even if what you have said is true and yukkuri are worse then humans, Then it would be up to humans to teach them a better way of living.
The proportion of shitheaded yukkuris is far more than the proportion of humans that are wrongdoers. The number of yukkuris that live 'peacefully' is a painfully small amount, and not the most as you suggest. They're worse than mankind. In fact, they probably embody most of the worst traits. There's no point trying to teach the yukkuris to be better, they don't learn. Smash them instead.
Yukkuris can cause as much or more damage as Humans in potential, thankfully humans fighting back each time that they make forests barren and aim to their farms had limited their capacity, but if left alone, Yukkuris may help to speed up desertification, besides, even if the user isn't as physically powerful as a tank, the Dosu Spark clearly has a notorious potential to destroy the ambience if used recklessly, which Many times Dosus do use it reckessly without considering how far the blast will go and if it may hit a innocent bystander metres or even kilometres away.
Humanity have shit, but they had also shown an equal ammount of good, and the capacity of self criticismn, which Yukkuris on a 90% lack, so we have higher chances of getting better. And many times the peaceful lives of yukkuris are a fakade of just a lazy uncaring about others lives, which with the slightly disrupt would trigger tragedies or internal fighting.
And yeah, i do agree about Humans having to intervene in the life of yukkuris and save the minority of good yukkuris while dealing with the rest, but, sadly that wouldn't happen, because we would stop ourselves, love groups or mistaken animal rights groups would never approve of it, even if the good yukkuris prevailing may be productive for everybody, specially nature itself. Only saving the few good ones and let them become the majority would fix the Yukkuri problem, but again, Humanity itself would limit itself because of those humans that while not awknoledging facts or the damage this creatures can do, will demand that humanity should leave them alone, regardlesss of how much they may ruin the enviroment and how in the end they'll not leave humanity alone in peace either.
Yukkuri potential as a destructive force is a is something I do not believe in. You have a yukkuri causing problems; you toss a blanket/box over its head; yukkuri is immobilized and at your mercy. Dosuyukkuri are rare and tend not to do things recklessly as a sign of its maturity. Foolish and reckless Marisa's do not live long enough to become dosuyukkuri. I am not going to discus how bad humans are, but they way you described yukkuri is the way many humans live there lives. Describing how a mass of humans will respond to anything is a risky proposition let alone for a fantasy.
Feel free to think that, but most of the artists and writers think otherwise. It also doesn't matter how humans act or respond, it's the damn yukkuris we're talking about. And you should have found out for yourself by now, regardless of whatever similarities you might think there are between humans and yukkuris, we don't treat them the same.
>>Dosuyukkuri are rare and tend not to do things recklessly as a sign of its maturity. Foolish and reckless Marisa's do not live long enough to become dosuyukkuri.
Nope. many many stories point out the exact opposite. You are free to think whatever you want though.
Tea he's not saying you should treat them the same. After all can stop human by tossing a heavy blanket over him.
Poweryoga is also right, I like to go by the theroy that we have in the Yukkuri fanfic. That Dosus come Yukkuri that over come there negative traits. IE a marisa that values the other over it's self, a Reimu that is willing to believe that it and its children are not the center of the universe, an Alice that can completely over come its sexual urges, or a patchy that wouldn't sacrifice other Yukkuri simply to gain more knowledge in some experiment.
Yes, but that was pointing out there are a number of stories where the Dosus aren't able to overcome there negative traits. Which is fine, seeing as everyone will have different ideas about how dosus come about. The overcoming negative traits is one way to go about it.
And PIE is pretty much saying they should be treated the same: Pointing out what humans do, then how yukkuris are supposedly more peaceful and better than the humans (but that's because they're about 20 times weaker and dumber; also fails at noticing when yukkuris are being shitheads ala post #20140), thus they do not deserve the treatment they are given such as abuse. Actually, that's saying yukkuris deserve to be treated better than humans. It was the actual attitudes being discussed, but he decided to twist it. But whatever, I was just trying to say to stop comparing yukkuris to the actions of humans or other animals as to justify how they are or if they deserve something. Yukkuris are not people. They are not normal animals.
Actually I think he is trying to say that there are good yukkuri and there are bad yukkuri just like there are good humans and bad humans. You could of course replace human with Yōkai in that sentence and it would have the same effect.
I also think he was trying to say that we should take the good ones and the normal ones and teach them to be better while getting rid of the bad ones.
Finally I think he was simply say that humans have have the potential to do more damage then a yukkuri ever could. Which is also true. We are after all the only species with the potential to kill almost all life on earth in less then a day. Therefore by his logic yukkuri are not worse then humans.
Yukkuris may be weak, but they had shown a notorious capacity of screwing up with the enviroment and leading to a great deal of barren soil that may lead to desertification, which in long term would kill off a great deal of animals because of the ruined enviroment.
Atittude Wise, the Yukkuris are worse than humanity, since only a few of them have some degree of awareness of the damage they commit or any willingness to self criticize themselves and act according to that. Humanity has a higher destructive potential, but thanks to our awareness of the damage we cause and our capacity of being self judgemental, we are able to reduce it on a great deal and proportionally there are less "truly bad humans" than normal to good humans.
Yukkuris aren't as destructive in comparison, but that doesn't make them better, when the majority have horrible, greedy and selfish attitudes.
Humanity knows that there are more chances of the world being fucked up by a few of their kind just having access to big ass nukes than a massive global everybody vs everybody war with slaughter and destruction, since we will stop at some point realizing the shit we are doing. You can't expect that from a yukkuri.
And that's pretty much why i think Humanity should make sure the good yukkuris prevail, expand and take over in the yukkuri's society, it will help not only humans, but also nature and the yukkuri themselves.
Shitheads should be purged while the good ones should remain and learn about true coexistance with the rest of the beings in the world.
Anyway it's all philosophical discussion and shit, we know this won't happen, shitheads will still be around to be tortured for the enjoyment of those who prefer a bit of justice in their abuse, and the normal abuse will be there for the usual abuse fans.
Though our discussions could lead to developing interesting stories based on those ideas, i really doubt it could go beyond that, or be truly meaningful.
>>trying to say that there are good yukkuri and there are bad yukkuri just like there are good humans and bad humans.
No; it was a generalisation, and that should be obvious from a statement such as "yukkuri are not worse than mankind". And it was attitude that we were discussing in the first place, not the damage that they do. Justice just about sums it up.
Going back, the statement that humans "live with is only what has not been destroyed" is painfully wrong and applies to the yukkuris more.
I think that what Tea means is that Yukkuris live wherever they can, and many times after leaving some place barren, they move on to the next one, instead of trying to fix it or prevent it to become barren to begin with.
Maybe instead of Good and Bad we could call them Easy and Uneasy, since in the bigger picture that's what it is.
Yukkuris love to label anything they don't like or consider and enemy an uneasy being, but that's not different from zealots, self righteous and other hypocrite humans labelling their opponetns as "bad, wrong or evl".
The Truly Easy Yukkuris doesn't just take it easy for taking it easy, they also let others take it easy and take in consideration their easiness too, a good balance of personal easiness and social easiness. Yukkuris that won't eat everything edible from a enviroment without consideration and leaving it barren, the yukkuris that are fully aware of the animal's own rights in the forest and aren't as agressive to them if they don't attack them, the yukkuris that are aware that Mister Human's easy places and easy vegetables is theirs because they work hard on making them, of course it's nice if a Mister humans give them some vegetables, but they shouldn't go and forcefully take them or demand sweets sweets to the humans.
Some people say that only Dosus do something like that, but the problem is that Dosu seems to work way too much for the "Social" side of taking it easy and it's only limited to yukuris, at least the majority of the cases.
The truly easy yukkuri, brings ease to the world, the truly uneasy yukkuri brings unease to the world.
So shitheads are the uneasy ones and sadly the uneasy ones are the majority.
Yukkuri exist for our entertainment. For me, entertainment is observing their impending and richly deserved demise. For them, there is no ease. Not in this world. Not in the next.
>>The truly easy yukkuri, brings ease to the world, the truly uneasy yukkuri brings unease to the world. Its nice to see that you can think unbiasedly for a change. I could continue the debate(I am holding myself back right now.) but I will not. ...(Still holding back.)
It's the other way as well, as you're be biased in love of yukkuris and can't seem to accept that they are pests, different from normal animals and humans and destructive to the environment.