don't feel bad about it marisa most liveing things are like that however i would never dream of distorying such a high class yukkuri that can understand such complex things.
yukkuriking said: don't feel bad about it marisa most liveing things are like that however i would never dream of distorying such a high class yukkuri that can understand such complex things.
Considering the many, many experiments in store for unique specimens like this marisa, this yukkuri will be begging for Mister Death.
At least it won't change if you try to use the "I'm a living being don't kill me" approach, now if you tried the "okay I had been an ass to you, even if your answer is too exagerated, I'll try to stop being and ass and be more friendly to you, can you do the same to me?" approach, that would be a different story.
Personally, I think killing for the basic needs (food, clothing, raw materials, education or research etc.) are reasonable and justifiable. However, whenever possible, there should be no killing (or abusing whatsoever) solely for leisure or entertainment. The principle is, avoid doing the unnecessary things.
For the same reason, I don't buy pets; but I don't mind providing them a shelter.
heptoct said: The principle is, avoid doing the unnecessary things.
For the same reason, I don't buy pets; but I don't mind providing them a shelter.
You think having pets is unnecessary? Just asking out of curiosity.
yukiyuzen said: Wow. What an old world style of thinking.
It also doesn't consider that it isn't just a "human thing" but, ironically, a "living being" thing. Way too many animals, and even the very yukkuris we discuss, act too much like us in those aspects.
JusticeItEasy said: It also doesn't consider that it isn't just a "human thing" but, ironically, a "living being" thing. Way too many animals, and even the very yukkuris we discuss, act too much like us in those aspects.
The majority of animals survive by killing and consuming other life. Its the classic food chain, bunny eats grass(which is a 'living being' too, don't forget), fox eats bunny, wolf eats fox(rarely, but this is only an example), so on and so forth. Declaring that you should be allowed to live, because you are a 'living being', has got to be one of the highest forms of hypocrisy I've ever heard, regardless of what kind of animal/'monster fauna' you are.
On a different topic, if any of you are planning to visit Colorado Springs in the next few days, I'd advise you change your plans, the Waldo canyon wildfire is dumping smoke all over the northern half of the city, and it SUCKS.
Err technically it's the human the one going about "it's a human creature thing", it wasn't Marisa, though based on her reaction when anon told her that "awknowledging that would change nothing" she may had that mistaken idea of "I'm alive so I shouldn't be killed!", aside of assuming that every yukkuri kill "in world" is for entertainment.
But truth be told, I don't think that anybody in the yu world see's yukkuris as non living things.
That's usually a modern day thing. Human as a whole seems to insist a lot about keeping everyone (of their own species) alive. Exclude the personal cases like homicide victim's family and yandere girls with cheating boyfriend.
But IMO, authors usually (cynically?) made the yukkuri change those "norm" (by choice) into "responsibility" (must do) such as - You shouldn't kill other creatures, killing is wrong. - Peoples in difficulties deserved support, material or non-material (single mother cases, koyukkuri asking to "let me take it easy")
Salem said: But IMO, authors usually (cynically?) made the yukkuri change those "norm" (by choice) into "responsibility" (must do) such as - You shouldn't kill other creatures, killing is wrong. - Peoples in difficulties deserved support, material or non-material (single mother cases, koyukkuri asking to "let me take it easy")
So you're saying that one of the problems yukkuri have is the mistaken use of responsabilities instead of making such "duties" into the norm and common sense?
I was specifically commenting on this line of yours:
JusticeItEasy said: Way too many animals, and even the very yukkuris we discuss, act too much like us in those aspects.
It's not animals that are 'acting like us', it is US who are acting like animals. Of course there's no shame in admitting that, after all, we ARE animals, and have only had intelligence for a mere fraction of the time span our evolutionary ancestors spent as animals. I mean, heck, we still kill over the same things less intelligent animals do, namely food, territory, and sex. Intelligence may have lessened the number of times we kill for those things, but it also added more reasons, like revenge, ideological differences, etc.
TL;DR = I was arguing against your 'animals act too much like us' line, because its really the other way around.
Back on topic, I wonder why nobody has made a comic with a human pointing out the hypocrisy of a Yukkuri using the 'I'm a living being, a precious and irreplaceable life!' line(or something to that effect). After all, 'mister bug' is a 'living being, a precious and irreplaceable life', and yukkuri kill and eat them; Same with 'mister plants'. I mean, it just seems like such an obvious thing to use to point out the yukkuri's fault in their logic, I'm really surprised I haven't seen any images/stories* with it...
Heck, somebody could use it to troll a yukkuri by claiming they're abyusing them in 'revenge' for mister bugs, or something. XP
= Yes, there has been stuff that goes in a similar vein, but they never seem to use that one simple truth, for some reason.
Problem with pointing it out is that... Shitty Geezer, stop saying nonsense that doesn't make sense. My paste refuse to process such blasphemy.
At least for the shithead among them, those bugs should feel honoured to let the yukkuri take it easy. You know, like how in the past, just being allowed to be at the presence of the king is a lifetime honour to a lowly peasant.
Of course, the story would be more interesting if the yukkuri can understand, but that would probably make the story boring with talk talk and talk rather than paste paste and paste... coffee and paste.
I think the 'logic pwning' that anons sometimes use on yukkuri is probably more for the reader than the yukkuri, since the yukkuri almost never understand it/are too shitheaded to care/tune it out. Heck, stories with 'logic pwnings tend to follow this template: 1. yukkuri does shithead thing 2. Anon 'logic pwns' the shithead 3. Yukkuri doesn't understand/ignores it 4. Anon gets physical 5. Paste flies 6. ??? 7. Profit!
I was only curious, with the 'logic pwnings' we've seen, why the 'truth' I mentioned was never used, since it seems obvious to me; Doesn't really matter to me if the yukkuri accepts it or anything, since yukkuri are only rarely affected by 'logic pwnings'.
maximusfive said: funnily enough also missing the point (not trying to be offensive but we technically missed each other points)
Just forget about semantics for a moment. What I meant by them acting too much like us is how they aren't saintly or that they are willing to engage into unnecessary kills or questionable actions, unlike what others say.
Like you know, Animals wage war as well, animals rape as well, animals kill the cubs of others, some animals even make others their slaves, etc. Yukkuris can be accused of the same as well.
It was mainly just a reminder that "the capacity of being a dick for unnecessary reasons" isn't a Human only thing, as you well said, it's an Animal thing in general.
tl, dr: Animals and Yukkuris can be epic dicks as well, it's not a "human creature" thing only like what the pic implies.
maximusfive said: I think the 'logic pwning' that anons sometimes use on yukkuri is probably more for the reader than the yukkuri, since the yukkuri almost never understand it/are too shitheaded to care/tune it out. Heck, stories with 'logic pwnings tend to follow this template: 1. yukkuri does shithead thing 2. Anon 'logic pwns' the shithead 3. Yukkuri doesn't understand/ignores it 4. Anon gets physical 5. Paste flies 6. ??? 7. Profit!
I was only curious, with the 'logic pwnings' we've seen, why the 'truth' I mentioned was never used, since it seems obvious to me; Doesn't really matter to me if the yukkuri accepts it or anything, since yukkuri are only rarely affected by 'logic pwnings'.
And then there's this one, which is the exception to your template: post #27940
I understand what Marisa is trying to say
Yukkuri are alive just like humans
Yukkuri have a heart and can suffer
Please understand that and don't kill us, right ?
Yes, I understand what Marisa wants to say
...but don't get me wrong
If humans understand that yukkuri are also living beings the same as us
then human will stop killing yukkuri ?
That wont happen.
Humans kill and eat other living beings
Human kill and remove other living beings to get places to stay
Humasn even live fighting and discriminating against other humans
...that's how life is
That's why for human, nothing really change no matter if we understand yukkuri as living beings or not, as long as we're the creatures called humans.