Sorry for making a lot of comments, but as much as I would like a different ending of true-happiness, that's probably not going to happen. Also, this edit isn't exactly the best, it's just taking selective images from the series.
Yeah, this is the paralel of grabbing a FF pic and make it an abyuse one, which isn't a good thing, if we let this one slip, we won't have the right to demmand people who may edit FF pics into Abyuse pics to stop doing so.
And I personally rather not have cute FF pics being made into abyuse, so, no Abyuse made and rewrite into FF either, for the sake of civility and avoid a potential Edit War in the future.
If you look back at older pictures, there was alot of flaming over just this kind of thing where FF people would edit Abyuse comics and Abyuse people would edit FF comics.
This is just going to lead back into issues like that if it stays around.
I made the edits for myself but I thought I might share the completed product. If it will cause conflict in the community then I won't upload any further edits.
Incidentally it is more then just simply panel swapping and editing the text, there was a significant amount of redrawing involved (although not on this particular page).
Not saying there's anything wrong with wanting a different ending, but it's still altering the artist's original work without permission, redrawing aside. It's caused problems in the past (though mostly the otherway around) which is why I'm cautious about it.
You can upload it to yukkuri booru and see what they think.
JusticeItEasy said: Yeah, this is the paralel of grabbing a FF pic and make it an abyuse one, which isn't a good thing
What's wrong with that? The site houses both. So long as they're both properly tagged and don't end up in the same pool, it makes no sense to have a problem with it.
If this is a problem, then why is post #385 still up after 3 years?
TakeItSlow said: What's wrong with that? The site houses both. So long as they're both properly tagged and don't end up in the same pool, it makes no sense to have a problem with it.
If this is a problem, then why is post #385 still up after 3 years?
Because it's old and nobody had the inclination or the time to go back through all the old pictures and delete the edits and flaming they spawned. There's only 2 active admins and they're busy enough with handling the new content that's being put up.
Take a look at the flames in the comments of the picture you linked. You may be attempting to use it as justification, but those flames in the comments are evidence of why new edits should not be allowed. Is that kind of flame war the kind of thing you want to invite back to the site?
zidana123 said: Is that kind of flame war the kind of thing you want to invite back to the site?
But no one has flamed anyone over this page, only expressed worry that other people might, or that some other hypothetical edit in the future will be problematic even if this one isn't.
TakeItSlow said: But no one has flamed anyone over this page, only expressed worry that other people might, or that some other hypothetical edit in the future will be problematic even if this one isn't.
They haven't for this particular picture, no. But there exists enough of a body of evidence in past edits and flame comments to extrapolate the conclusion that should edits of this natured be allowed, there will EVENTUALLY be more flaming.
The whole 'but this particular case hasn't caused an issue' is a flimsy argument at best given the volatile history of this site and the fandom. It would be better to err on the side of caution and nip this in the bud.
You seem to misunderstand our position, at least. For those that don't want edits of this nature to be permitted, it's not a question of whether or not this picture itself has crossed some kind of boundary. I personally do not claim that it has. But in fact, for us, that question is irrelevant to the problem.
For us, it's a question of whether or not this picture is the first step on a slippery slope to that boundary.
It's true that there were flames on this subject a long time ago. There were also flames between anti-abuse and pro-abuse factions in general. In my opinion, the flames on edits were clearly just an aspect of that larger conflict: the fact that the work was edited wasn't the real issue, but rather the conflict between pro- and anti-abuse. Since posts of those kinds are currently disallowed, I do not think that problem would happen today.
For that reason, I believe you are incorrect that this would represent a first step along any kind of slope.
I agree with Zidana in that allowing this kind of edits will cause flaming in the future, but I'm more concerned about the possibility of inadvertently offending artists.
The picture TakeItSlow linked is a good example of how detrimental this can be, as it is the reason nako stopped drawing yukkuris.
It's not about flaming, it's about offending artists. I couldn't care less about flames: I'll just delete the comments. I care about artists getting pissed and then not drawing anymore.
@TakeItSlow: The artist you linked quit drawing yukkuris because people were editing her pictures into violent variants. I do NOT want us to condone those sort of pictures.
Given the history of kiri's drawings, I don't know if editing it into family_friendly is the right thing to do.
I dont think kiri would mind. In fact i did a very bad edit of true happiness changing the marisas and reimus for kanakos and suwakos. Not that i will post it here...
@TakeItSlow: The artist you linked quit drawing yukkuris because people were editing her pictures into violent variants. I do NOT want us to condone those sort of pictures.
Given the history of kiri's drawings, I don't know if editing it into family_friendly is the right thing to do.
Yikes! I certainly wouldn't want an artist to cease making drawings over something like this.
Would it be reasonable to say, "It's alright if the original artist says he's/she's okay with it?"
But until that approval is get and then shown to us, it's better for edits like this to not be in the site. Not only for the sake of avoiding problems, but like poweryoga said, out of respect to the authors.
One thing is cropping out a part that you found cute, make a gif or something, another is basically rework the whole nature of someone's work into the exact opposite, it's outright disrespectful to do it without the author's consent. And it doesn't matter if it's FF or Abyuse both deserve equal respect about it.
TakeItSlow said: In my opinion, the flames on edits were clearly just an aspect of that larger conflict: the fact that the work was edited wasn't the real issue, but rather the conflict between pro- and anti-abuse. Since posts of those kinds are currently disallowed, I do not think that problem would happen today.
You're missing the larger issue here. The conflict between pro and anti abuse isn't just flame posts. The edits themselves are an aspect of the conflict as well. Conflict isn't just words. It's actions as well. In fact, I would say that it's more about actions and less about words. The true conflict IS the editing and it's the flame posts that are a symptom.
After all, what moves someone to attempt to completely re-work someone else's story and change its theme and direction around 180 degrees? Obviously it's because the editor is dissatisfied with how the story actually proceeded.
In this case, it's an FF fan being dissatisfied at some level with the abyuse in this story, and so they attempted to erase the abyuse entirely. What is that if not 'conflict between pro- and anti-abuse'?
Lets not get into the argument of "pro" and "con" of abuse/FF edits and the ensuing argument. My only concern here is the artist's original intent of use versus edits, that's all.
Psycho2112 said: Can we get that guy to come back and draw yukkuri again?
Nako?
1st of all she was a japanese artist which makes contact hard by default. 2nd this was years ago, so chances are she long ago moved on to something different.