The wild`s rule,the strong one get the food,the weak will be eaten.Well,except that crow the rest were weak......are they gonna use their hair for attack?lol.Just pray and hoping their hair can be a weapon someday.
@Power Crows are pretty vicious birds, and IIRC are pretty infamous for attacking livestock. Admittedly they would be more likely to rip a yukkuri apart there and then rather than to fly off with one (i don't think they can actually carry stuff with their feet anyway, but i'm not 100% sure on that)
^Very true. The whole crow family shows remarkable intelligence and some of them are quite vicious. Not to mention that some species of crows use tools and show adaptability in their hunting habits. This little group wouldn't stand a chance against a pair of crows. Even mother reimu wouldn't be able to defend herself against a pair of big birds which would probably peck her eyes out. These birds would be perfect for yukkuri pest control, methinks. But they can't carry a koyukkuri like that, for fuck's sake. They are crows, not eagles.
Crows don't use their feet to carry stuff. Only common urban bird of prey who does is an owl. But this small mistake doesn't matter though - this guy's art is detailed and very realistic.
>Do we really need to name every non-yukkuri non-human thing "Mister *"?
The suffix -san is sometimes applied to inanimate objects in Japanese, so it usually doesn't get translated, but the yukkuris really push it to the limit (Mister House, Mister Rain etc.) so IMO the translations ought to reflect that.
That's "hunting", not "hassling". And yes, if yukkuri really existed, crows would hunt them. It makes sense, really - slow moving, defenceless, stupid, calorie-rich creature would be hunted by EVERY omnivore. Perfect example how yukkuri would easily fit into food chain.
... except I think those are pics of the Crow driving off an intruder, not actually carrying it off.
and @ Macak, I think most wild animals, in general, have an aversion to things that make loud sounds, move, puff up to increase size, and if pushed far enough, will attack via bites and throwing themselves at attackers.
So, I agree that they're slow, and calorie-rich. But stupid is arguable, due to the fact they have speech as well as inherent knowledge about other things, like names, from birth (which suggests that they're, in general, smarter than normal animals). Also, "Defenseless" is only a relative term. They have defenses, but they're not as good in comparison to what we're accustomed to.
also, as a point of discussion, I think most humans, by themselves, would qualify as "Defenseless" due to relatively slow build, weakness compared to other animals our size, lack of claws and fangs and lack of thick outer skin. A wild dog (Or that 200 lb. chimp that was in the news a few weeks ago) is, on a basic, physical level, superior to humans in every way. Without a weapon, arguably, Humans aren't much better than Yukkuri. Discuss! :-P
^ That assumes the human actually has a choice about if he's going to fight or not. Hell, look at modern police dogs - even when the criminals have weapons a good half of them panic when faced with an angry dog and, when in a panic, the inbuilt mammilian response is to use *built in* weapons. Which we don't have any to speak of.
Which doesn't matter one fucking bit. We're a dominant species on this planet FOR A REASON, people! Humans are intelligent, aggressive, TOOL-USING, tribal omnivores. Non-bodied yukkuri are mobile food. Especially when one takes into account their short memory spans, which make learning nigh impossible. End of goddamn story. On the other hand, a bodied flandre, with a near-human intelligence and her in-built ability to repair herself would be a dangerous opponent for ALL urban predators. When you guise see what a pack of hungry rats can do, or how fierce a mother cat can be, you'll stop with all this nonsense that a mobile confectionery can actually defend itself. The funniest part is - yukkuri predators like non-bodied remilias and flandres would be the first to go. Meat buns, anyone?
>TOOL-USING Since someone is bound to come along and point out how other animals are also tool users (including crows, like the ones in Japan that use cars and crosswalks to crack nuts), it should be pointed that an important trait that goes along with our being tool-users is our being tool-*makers*.
@MercilessAnon Bodied Yukkuri also have hands. what's your point?
@AD ... actually, no comment. That's the point I was making.
@ Macak Tewi types are also intelligent, aggressive and tool using creatures. Tribal and Omnivores are rather unimportant, but worth noting Yukkuri are arguably both, as well, since they travel/live in groups and can eat anything. Also, As of relatively recent comics and fan-works show (much to my distaste and hatred), they've been developing longer memory spans. In fact, things like SUN's comics rely heavily on the idea of the idea of Yukkuri being able to remember things beyond an hour. Reimu's Reimu learned how to type (Spawning the idea that they have Prehensile Hair). in addition to that, All yukkuri can regenerate. Just Flandre and Remiya types Regenerate faster. Also, in some comics, it's depicted that Yukkuri were able to band together in order to drive out wild animals, so they can fight off attackers for defense and attack. finally, Yukkuri predators also eat other things. Remiya can be trained to eat veggies, but it loves Pudding.
@Blood Monkeys have also been shown to make tools. Also, it's worth pointing out that the mass populace of the world probably doesn't know how to make any tools anymore, but instead lets machines build the parts to the tools while humans have merely learned to assemble them. If you stripped most humans of their Machines and took away their tools, then most people would be helpless and most would probably be unable to make rope, much less a "real", metal tool like a knife or hammer. If we remove matches and lighters, then I doubt most people could even make a fire.
on a side note, I've seen someone make a fire with the two sticks. It was awesome. ^_^
X-D lol I like that name, though. When I first picked it way back when (on a different place), I actually meant it as a Cow + Pie. I didn't originally know the Slang meaning. But once I found it out, it became so much better :-P
Our hand is a built in weapon, so are our teeth, it may not be as sharp as animals but we can use it. We just never use them the way our ancestors does.
^^^ We just have to relearn it like Tom Hanks. We can probably make rough and lame copies of stone tools. But hunting will take forever before we get the knack.
Sure, hands I suppose could be considered weapons, but teeth? Not so much. As far as the Human jaw goes, we lack the needed muscle strength to actually be dangerous with our teeth. Also, arguably, bodied Yukkuri also have fists that they can use. and a yukkuri throwing itself at an object to ram could be construed as an attempt of a punch of sorts.
Also, I think most people would die now if they were forced to make their own tools, primitive or not. Outside of a Tree Branch for a Club, I can't imagine people having any chance at relearning the needed skills before most people starved to death. Sure, there may be some people that can survive as-is right now, but the vast majority would still die.
Anyone else like to try and explain why Humans aren't "defenseless" like a yukkuri?
You're thinking attack = defenses. We just need to scare the predators off or keep them off until we get away to safety. Yukkuris puff up and become immobile.
We are generally larger than most other animals, and our intelligence, our ability to throw rocks, use anything with our hands into a tool. We don't have sharp teeth or claws like dogs so we substitute it with tools. Our ability to get anywhere we need to and in relatively good condition. Survive variety of climates. Survive rain. As for teeth, predators bite the prey and hold them until they bleed to death. We can't kill them with a single large wound like a lion can. We do have the jaw muscle to bite a chunk of flesh off an animal. Like how dogs could bite a chuck of flesh off a person. The recent picture of marisa biting the rabbit puts them closer to us but without that yukkuris are further away from us in terms of defenses.
The biggest difference is our size. And most importantly to respond to dangers. Try puffing up at a charging elephant.
Puffing up is a form of defense though, as a form of intimidation. Some Lizards use frills, for example, to appear larger, and thereby more dangerous to would-be attackers. Also, if you encounter a bear or such, it's advised that you try to look as big as possible to deter the bear from attacking you (Among other things. http://www.ehow.com/how_2097402_scare-off-bear.html see? :-P)
The threshold is the point where a defense no longer works, then you're forced to either switch to attack or run away. But alright, ignoring attacking for defenses, yes, Yukkuri don't have much, but they don't always puff up. (They only seem to puff up when facing an human.) For example, they try to run and hide usually from Predator-type Yukkuri like Flandre or Remiya, which is also considered a defense.
Now then, Besides size, intelligence isn't normally considered a defense (Or offense, really) as much as it is a supplement. Also, as noted earlier, Tewi, Flandre, Yuuka and probably a couple others have an intellect comparable to that of humans. Yukkuri also possess the ability to throw rocks (Via spitting, usually), but alas, I don't really see how that's a defense. O.o'' My sub-point was if you separated a human from modern tools, not only would they be defenseless, but would probably die of starvation. Arguably, if you took one of the smarter Yukkuri and taught them how to use a tool, they could start using tools as well. They haven't been exposed to most tools. Outside of Reimu's Reimu, who can use a computer, or Aya types which use cameras, or the freakish Akyu types, which seem to have a hammer, despite how retarded that is... The Ability of Locomotion isn't really... relevant in any way I can think of, except for maybe running away... O.o' Yukkuri can get to places easily in most situations. Marisa types can even travel over water in their hats, and Nitori types know how to swim. Flandre, Remiya, and some Flandre and Mokou types can even fly, which is an added bonus. The same types of shelters which can and do protect humans in cases of hot or cold (mostly cold) weather also protects a yukkuri, though, yes, Yukkuri have to take shelter from rain or die. And technically, for most yukkuri, it's just prolonged exposure to water, not just rain. Take it as you will, but I don't think that's a major disability for the yukkuri since they don't just stand there in the rain, but actively seek shelter. It can additionally be thought of as a way to keep the yukkuri population in check. Also, I don't think there are too many groups of humans out there who run down animals and "bite a chunk of flesh off an animal" anymore. even in the cases of tough meat, the animal's usually been skinned most of the time. Fish, not so much, but you can't really just run up and bite a stag to death. Humans skins are relatively soft when compared to otherwise leathery animals we prey upon, like cows or pigs or... hmm... not sure if poultry would be hard to bite through... probably not. Flying creatures have thin skin iirc... that and Ozzy Osborne bit the head off a bat, didn't he? Anyways, even compared to apes or chimps, we have extremely soft skin that would be rather easy for an animal to bite through. Also, Dog's jaws can break and chew ribs and other bones in their teeth, so comparing a human jaw to that is rather... odd.
So, to your final example, Yukkuri only seem to puff up at their encounters with people. Usually when food is involved, like in http://bbs.shii.org/yukkuri/post/view/5749 or when a yukkuri thinks a person is entering their yukkuri space (like if you went outside and found a stranger sitting on the hood of your car). So if an elephant came charging, they may sit there and wonder what an elephant is (They've never seen one, most likely) or try to escape if they thought the elephant was dangerous, but I doubt they'd Inflate to try and scare it.
>>The biggest difference is our size. And most importantly to respond to dangers. Try puffing up at a charging elephant. In before post #5835 Letty eating an elephant. The argument about size is variable, as Dosu have been seen firing gigantic lasers and resisting assault rifles. Truly adult yukkuri are not something to mess with without a plan. When a Marisa the size of a two-story barn walks into your damn wheat field and call it her yukkuri place, it's her damn yukkuri place.
It's fun being a murderous troll. Between Earth and Hell I reign supreme, on a toadstool throne by a chocolate stream. It also lets me think up lots of ways to inflict pain on things that resemble Japanese pastries that have eyes, mouths and bad attitudes and only physically exist on paper and as plush dolls, so that no matter how much I hurt them, they won't feel a damned thing.
It doesn't change the fact that humans don't cease to be when you set fire to the paper you drew a picture of them on, like yukkuris do. Humans being real trumps any equivocation you might want to make between humans and yukkuris. Of course, you know that, and now you can't respond to that, so you just attack me, instead.
Difference between resembling and being is a huge difference.
The force of a thrown rock is more than one of spitted, and if you don't see how that's a defense go explore the Middle East. Grant yukkuris the ability to use their hair as limbs.
If you move a mountain lion into onto an island it'll die of starvation too. Or a coastal fish into the deep sea. Without tools we'd go back to planting. Yukas and Dos would be considered human specialists which you discount and besides them no other yukkuris understand food are grown. Or we'd go stream fishing. Or eat pigeons, not healthy but not starving to death. Yukkuris can magically eat anything organic, tree bark, bloody bandages.
As I said, just because we don't run off biting deers to death doesn't mean we can't bite it to death. We're likely to run an animal down and poke it to death with a stick. We probably can chew through bones but we don't because we're likely to hurt ourselves, and using a rock to bash it is faster and less painful, something dogs can't do.
We can puff up against bears and then we'd edge away. The yukkuri will puff up and stand its ground until the bear backs down or attack it. If something large is charging we will get out of the way. Yukkuris are puffing up at humans - something much larger, comparison would be us puffing at a t-rex or an elephant. Since yukkuris are puffing up against something they can speak to you could say a 4 feet bared arm guy puffing up at a 6 feet guy bared armed guy. Your example seems to be puffing up to intimidate food out of the human.
If we're attacked by a hawk we can fend it off with our hands, we may get really bloody from it. A yukkuri would likely not survive a crow let alone a hawk.
>The force of a thrown rock is more than one of spitted, and if you don't see how that's a defense go explore the Middle East. Ere I should rephrase that part. We can stone things to death. A yukkuri throwing rocks would not be as effective as humans throwing a rock, we can put enough force to drive dogs away, yukkuris may not throw enough force to drive a rat away.
@Blood I'm well aware they're fictional creatures. What I don't get is the unhealthy obsession to torture, maim, mutilate, kill, and damage them for no apparent reason. And Then there's the question of whether something has to physically exist for you to be a freak mentally. for example, the guy in Virginia who was arrested for possession of Loli and sentenced to 20 years in prison had his sentence upheld on the premise "it is not a required that the minor depicted actually exists". So just because it's a doodle doesn't place you morally in the right. And I "attacked" you because you contributed nothing helpful to the conversation other than completely writing me off. Also, it's worth noting that Yukkuri have rather naive, happy-go-lucky personalities with small quirks originally, which is the kind I imagine when picturing the yukkuri. The modern yukkuri are often warped abominations of the original, pure yukkuri with very little in common, but I still don't think that's a reason to show them getting brutalized. If you want to imagine it and draw it like SUN, that's fine, but You shouldn't go and insist that's the way yukkuri or the people around them are, because a lot of the people in these stories have personalities that are as bad, or even worse than, the yukkuri.
@This Dosukkuri are weird, no? :-P I still want to see the Mima Yukkuri in action ^_^ It's supposed to be able to easily overpower a wolf and be followed by a legion of Marisas... And with them, they shall be able to overpower the Flan and Yuuka yukkuris and get the legendary Valley of Ease! (I'm still against swarms of Flandres and Yuukas working with Flandre. Makes very little sense.)
@Gitami Well, yukkuri can apparently spit rocks hard enough to kill other yukkuri, so I imagine it carries enough force to drive off small animals. And in Aya's Quest, they would spit it rather far, like artillery shells or sorts. Anyways, the point I was making is that The Mass of people would be unable to gather enough edible food to sustain normal Metropolis sized cities. Towns, maybe though. In that sense, the Yukkuri's ability to turn everything into food is, I suppose, an evolutionary god-send. *shrug*
I still don't think a normal person could run down a deer, much less bite with enough force to really harm the deer too much, but I agree a rock would be much easier (Assuming the deer didn't kill you with it's hooves and, if it's male, antlers). Either way, you'd require multiple people. It'd be much more efficient to set up a trap and drive the deer into it. Anyways, getting a little off topic. Closer to the original point was that a deer, like most other animals, is physically much more dangerous than an unarmed human.
As for the puffing up thing, now that I think about it, I cant recall a single time a yukkuri has puffed up to scare off an animal much larger than it. A China did it to put on a brave front after it hurt itself trying to break a roof tile, and also when it was guarding (When the other yukkuri shot it with stones), and I know that yukkuri will do it to show they're upset or displeased about something (Like making loud noises when they eat, taking their food or scaring the koyukkuri), but I haven't seen an actual case where they inflate to scare off an animal or person. If they see something is dangerous, then they generally try to escape from it, like Remiya, or one time, Yukkuri Aya escaped from eye drops (when normal Aya noticed it had red eyes) and from a cockroach.
But yeah, they just seem to run from danger, but inflate when upset. The only times I can think of when they haven't run is when they thought they could talk their way out of the threat. Like, there was a Reimu who made her home inside a shell she could carry around, and demanded food from a mister passing by... who apparently had a hammer on him for whatever reason. (Because apparently everyone has hammers in Gensokyo. *shrug*) But after her shell was broken, she tried to apologize, sing to the mister and asked to take it easy... as the mister slowly crushed her under his shoe.
I write you off because your argument is so stupid and offensive as to deserve to be written off. You try to draw equivalency between a species, homo sapiens, that has conquered the planet, neutralizing all its competitors (from various wild dogs to other homonids) and is capable of adapting to any environment, as well as adapting any environment to , and yukkuris, a species that, as depicted, are literally mobile, talking foodstuffs. There IS no equivalency between the two, and you're a moron for trying to draw one.
>>If you want to imagine it and draw it like SUN, that's fine If you're going to get bent out of shape because of people like me drawing them getting killed, clearly it's not fine to you.
>>What I don't get is the unhealthy obsession to torture, maim, mutilate, kill, and damage them for no apparent reason. They're a stupid internet fad. I hated the fad, and avoided them for as long as I could, but pooshlmer and 4chan kept devoting threads to the damned things. They would not go away. Then it grew beyond Touhou fans, being brought to places I go with no Touhou connection. While it was aggrivating to have the fad follow me wherever I went, at least in following me I got to see Tennkoma's comic of a reimu yukkuri being shredded on a treadmill. I enjoyed that. If the fad wouldn't go away, I could at least enjoy seeing the creatures it spawned suffer.
tl;dr I hate the yukkuri fad and like seeing yukkuris suffer because it represents an outlet for my hatred of that fad.
I shouldn't have to justify my enjoyment of drawings by Japanese and Chinese people of overly cute mobile food products that cannot possibly exist being made to suffer, or justify the human race's innate superiority to these same food products, but there you go.
"But after her shell was broken, she tried to apologize, sing to the mister and asked to take it easy... as the mister slowly crushed her under his shoe.
If a criminal tries to kill you and you get the upper hand they will offer to lick your ass if only you spare them. This only proves how superficial and manipulative and disgusting they are.
^ Shell Reimu demanded food you weakling, didn't you read?
That's why it got crushed, because no one wants to hear that kind of jackass talk when being asked. And particularly from a yukkuri to Onisan.
@Cowpies The thing with mass death in metropolis is because food was brought in that increased the population beyond what its surrounding can support. Even if every single citizen are the world's best hunter forager they will still starve in that situation. And a deer would kill a yukkuri faster than it would kill a human.
^ This you're right about not curbstomping them for being a jackass or a ill mannered homeless man demanding food. But you could with a yukkuri. 1. For being yukkuri 2. For ill-manner 3.(optional) Because you're Onisan and you like seeing them in pain 4. (optional) Because you don't like them
^ I suppose that's true. But we'd have to drastically reduce the number of people before you obtained a realistic number of people that could survive on their own. Now, Even with them, I still don't think there would be enough that would know how to raise or tend to crops to really survive, much less claim massive superiority over other animals, which was more of my original point.
anyways, about the Bum thing, 1. Just because that's what they are is a horrific reason to kill something. That'd be like the killing a black person because they're black or a Woman killing a Man because they're Male. They have no Choice in the matter. 2. Killing someone because they have a bad attitude is still illegal. There are craploads of people with bad attitudes, but they're left alone most of the time. And even when they aren't, they're usually not killed. 3. Onii-San who kill and torture things for fun should be shot. Like in a news article where two teens (17 and 18) set fire to a cat in an abandoned apartment in New York. That's just fucked up. 4. Even if you don't like someone, it doesn't mean you should go out of your way to harm them, much less kill them.
@SUN and Gitami A small thing, that can easily fit into your palm, demanding food is nowhere near on the same level as a murderer trying to kill you. Even a bum asking for food is probably more dangerous than the yukkuri in that case. At least the Yukkuri doesn't smell bad, and you could easily outwalk and/or ignore it without any hassle whatsoever.
^ Killing an insect or a plant or a roundworm is different from killing a cat, a man or a black person. Killing a raper alice, killing the coffee reimus, killing the trash alice and marisa. Optional to 1. Optional to 1.
Is there a particular reason to let it go unpunished? You could kill the murderer in defense or run away and let the police deal with it. You could do the yukkuri a favour by walking and handing it to the factory which to the yukkuri is about the same as getting their eyes ripped out or crushed, or dropping them off in the yukkuri waste basket which gets sent off to the factory.
Yukkuri are Neither plants, insects, nor roundworms. They're more like some midpoint between animals and humans. Rape isn't an attitude, it's an action. One which can be lethal to other yukkuri. What's a Coffee Reimu? And what is it about "trash Alice and Marisa" makes them have a "bad attitude", and thus makes them have to die? Optional, but irrational and overly cruel for no reason. I still stand by "They should be shot" Optional, but still extremely irrational. Sane people don't just walk around smiting and killing people who they think have bad attitudes.
It should have been left alone because, at the most, it was a minor nuisance that would take the whole of about 3 paces before it'd be over with, as opposed to the effort of finding a hammer and crushing the shell, only to torture it to death. In no way was it possible for the yukkuri to harm the Mister, which just straight out puts it in a different field from a murderer. Also, Transporting them to the factory is effectively akin to putting someone into slavery, which would be rather fucked up.
I don't see why killing a roundworm is all that different than killing anything else. Law is all that differs. If I could kill a cat, or a man, or a black person (who really deserves it) and get away with it, why shouldn't I? And I still think comparing killing yukkuri to killing murderers is completely off in left field, unless a yukkuri has actually murdered someone.
@This Arguably because you wouldn't want someone arbitrarily murdering you for no reason just because they could get away with it. Also, aren't ringworms parasites?
@Debeli & That Guy So, you want to torture fictional things based on fictional characters in a fictional land after assigning characteristics arbitrarily to them? And somehow, everyone else is retarded? At least Blood gave a reason for why he perpetuates it, but that raises the questions on it's own.
Not all lives are valued equally and each are judged differently. Yukkuris are no where near my list of valuable living beings. I place them above amoebas and other microscopic lifeforms. I gain happiness by washing my hands with soap that would very likely kill the germs. Peta place animals a bit over humans and would rather see humans die than animals harmed. If you want to say killing things are equal than you can say saving life are equal and go save the life of a tapeworm over a puppy, or a kitten over a child. Kill a goldfish or a kitty, a worm or an ant. Kill a patch of grass while you play soccer. Choose to save a dog, human or a yukkuri. You can also make the argument not to kill and eat a pig because no one would kill and eat a human and everyone else who eats pork are irrational, or everyone who don't eat human are insane as humans have as much right as pigs (or vice versa).
Again yukkuris are no where on my list of things to protect, just as a rock, book, fly, tapeworm, germs are not.
A yukkuri is wrong as theft, rape, and murders are wrong. Ringworms are parasites but they were born into it and trying their best to live.
Did i called you a retard? No, it's Macak, and I'm certain he meant the entire discussion, which personally, is indeed stupid. I was merely pointing out at the fact that
1: These are fictional buns for christ sake. 2: We laugh, we RAAAAGE, we feed off the pain and suffering or melt at the daaaaaw and go on with our lives, 'nuff said, no point arguing over a frakkin' fact-fiction and driving yourselves to an early death by killing millions of brain cells with each page stretcher.
Plus, i don't want to torture them, i'll rather laugh at them being tortured, and besides, I'm on neutral ground, torturing images or cute ones suits fine with me.