YEEESSSSSSSSS FUTILE AND MEANINGLESS SUFFERING OF YUKKURIS YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS
Though the manufacture of yukkuri trreats from already live yukkuris seems ineffecient. Couldn't they just render koyukkuri's into hibernation and package them instead of reprocessing normal yukkuris?
I still think the suffering needs to carry some form of economic benefit. For instance, in this case, it's cheaper than keeping the yukkuris comfortable... though I have to wonder how the feet-and-mouth burning would compare, pricewise, to applying a small amount of aerosolized sleep agent (wouldn't take much for malnourished food-grade yukkuri) and letting them wake up already being shredded/freeze-dried/whatever.
^^^^The odds of yukkuri-grade sleeping agents affecting humans are... well... post #12027 panel 3 seems to indicate humans are not easily affected by them.
Ha, they're talking food and they fail at even being food... useful only for stress relief purposes, I imagine. Perhaps I should take back up that high grade livestock story, sometime.
After all, non torture = non sweet, too much torture = too sweet to be good. And there is also the fact that many of the food used yukkuris are "disposed" from other lines, like the reproduction one, so they may already come with a bad taste to begin with.
Maybe the best method, while maybe boring in abuse standars, would be to give them some initial pain and fear and quickly kill them.
Seconding that request... I think parts of ana's factory story is also untranslated.
And yeah, I think the big part of this is that the yukkuris used are the ones being disposed of, recycled in a way. I'd classify these as ultra-cheap ultra-low quality product.
This is just to add insult to injury. They live all their lives just to be eaten, and they are then disposed as. The one silver-lining they could have had is denied to them, and everyone looks the other way. The difference is that instead of another animal, which is killed in a utilitarian way to allow for food to be made, they are killed for the sake of being killed. In a way, its an existential piece in that they have no past or future, the dice they've been giving is designed to allow for one outcome, and they are not allowed to have a real illusion of anything else but the end.
For this story, it would take a vitriolic hatred of these things to enjoy it, but to me its a nice reminder how horrifying things are we take for granted. We can choose how we are going to die, even though its an inevitability, and if we do not have that choice, we usually are given a pleasant illusion to sooth the pain.
Coming to think of it, this is something that could break a person providing this is not being described as some type of initiation that "all must see the truth" about things, but the kid seems to have the reaction of deluding himself into thinking that its a lot happier than what it is. I wonder how many people would appreciate how the factory operates, normal people, since it is gruesome and if nothing else, inhumane. People who are for animal rights will surely flock to the sentient creatures that are yukkuri, with their capability of speech and that they look like a head. To me, this isn't something that can last so I like to think that the kid grows up to stop the factory and allow yukkuri to take it easy.
Yes this is an abuse story, I'm not saying anyone should die, but I felt that there was some missing potential to show the darkside of abuse.
Usually the "love groups" of yukkuris aren't the smartest ones in the stories, but probably because, of that "speech capacity", they take the rights of yukkuris in too extreme PETA ways (and yeah nobody can claim PETA is a good example of animal rights).
Since Yukkuris, unlike average animals, have a darkside that shouldn't be denied or brushed aside as "Pro-Abuse Propaganda".
The Factory is usually extremely cruel to yukkuris and i can see why it's debatable it's methods, i kinda agree in how bad they do things, even if i don't mind yukkuri shitheads suffering, i would rather have the livestock for food or products being treaten better, >_> and as much give the pain and suffering for the sweetness in the last second before their death, since we know, yukkuris aren't tasty or nutrious without that, and as i mentioned neither they are if they are over abused since their nutritional capacities get spoiled.
Yeah, that's what makes me not be as "Keen" of the Animal Groups right taking Yukkuris seriously, at least, if they won't awknoledge their notorious pest potential and all the bad things they can do.
Because that would mean they making a fuzz if farmers rightfully defended their crops of yukkuris and stuff.
You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if his mother accompanied him on the tour... The answer to that question could hold quite a lot of information about the author's intent.
>>The thing I often wonder about is this. Think how violent PETA can get some times... Now Image what would happen with yukkuri in the picture. That actually is an interesting idea.
One factor might be whether yukkuris actually count as animals. Given that they're pastries, and only a few are even meat-filled, they might not actually make the cut to be "animals". The closest you could probably call them would be pastry youkai, but youkai aren't actually animals either.
Another factor, ironically, would be how successful yukkuri lovers like you, anelaidlives and the many that came before you here are at convinving people that yukkuris are, not only sentient, but morally equivalent to humans. PETA and the even more radical groups, like Earth First! and ALF/ELF, don't think humans are particularly worth caring about, and if you make the case that yukkuris are just like humans, you'd likely turn them off from your cause. The existence of pet yukkuris is another strike against them; radical animal rights people hate the concept of pet animals and PETA, when it takes them in, tends to put them down rather than find them new homes.
There's also the possibility that PETA getting involved would make people more likely to abuse yukkuris. PETA's publicity stunts tend to stupid enough that lots of people do the exact opposite of what they want just to spite them.
And finally, PETA's violence is overrated. They're more like the cowards people like anelaidlives have called lovers of yukkuri violence; they pick weak targets who are easily intimidated and less likely to fight back. PETA has made a big deal of fur being murder, and heckling rich old ladies who wear fur coats. Have you ever seen or heard about them doing the same with bikers wearing leather jackets?
Amen. I know that I certainly hate yukkuris a hell of a lot more after enduring all the bullshit from the yukkuri lovers. I actually liked family friendly stuff the most to start with...
>>This is just to add insult to injury...
Good. And that's the way yukkuris should be treated. As nothing more than stupid stressballs, that we can thrash about however we want, and then discarding them like trash, at will without a care in the world. Killed for the sake of being killed, just because they are yukkuri. There's no horror here. Their suffering allows me to take it easy. The cowardly, redundant and hypocritical moralising from the lovers only reinforces that.
TBlood. True that's my point though. (I was using PETA as an example) Some people might get even more violent (property as well as people PETA has "good" track record with property damage) then typical PETA/other animal rights groups, if they were to find out about things like what goes in this story.
Tea Oi now take it easy. What happened to keeping it friendly. There is no reason to insult yukkuri lovers. Lets keep it friendly.
Finally why do people assume I am a yukkuri lover. Is it because I try to give yukkuri the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Because half of the time I did that in the past it was just me trying explore other venues in which to interpret stories, no more no less. All in all my stance on yukkuri is this. They should be treated as creatures with the potential to become more then they currently are. The good ones should be separated form the bad and normal yukkuri And used to breed a better more intelligent Yukkuri (See raising a baged yukkuri for a real good example.) The normal ones should have an attempt to breed them to a higher level of quality. While the bad ones should be exterminated and or used factory like stuff. The factory like stuff should not be done this way however. (And now I feel silly for discussing how I think a fictional creature should be treated.)
>>Some people might get even more violent (property as well as people PETA has "good" track record with property damage) then typical PETA/other animal rights groups, if they were to find out about things like what goes in this story. Not really. People do things as bad as this, and even worse, to animals factory raised for food; the violence that angry animal rights terrorists is rather limited, and people continue eating their Quarter Pounders with Cheese. For those that actually engage in property or other violent crime, there is a proper response that's actually very simple: call the police.
>>Finally why do people assume I am a yukkuri lover. Is it because I try to give yukkuri the benefit of the doubt sometimes. Because half of the time I did that in the past it was just me trying explore other venues in which to interpret stories, no more no less. To be honest, I don't buy this. But to give you the benefit of the doubt, when you first came here, you didn't give off the air of someone looking to reinterpret things; your words and actions came off as someone indignant at the idea of violence against yukkuris. "fucking asshole whoever did this" you said of the results of one story, for instance. Your belligerence towards and willingness to pick fights with the regular users, who tend to be pro-abuse, does you no favors. Finally, even when not actively looking for a fight, you tend to favor the non-abusive side of the equation.
Taken together, the image you've created here is one of a yukkuri lover. If you're not, maybe your communication skills could stand some improvement. This could be related to how old you are and where you're from; you never told us either, even after SUN asked for the former. If English isn't your native language, be honest and tell us. (I didn't ask you this before, but I did ask PostItEase; his answer helped me confirm that he's just a troll.) It might help you get more slack from us that we've been inclined to give you in the past.
>>Oi now take it easy. What happened to keeping it friendly. There is no reason to insult yukkuri lovers. Lets keep it friendly. Tea wasn't speaking of the lovers as a whole, just the ones who say yukkuri haters are horrible people, sadistic psychopaths and Nazis for liking to see yukkuris suffer. These same people then say that how they'd like to horribly and sadistically kill anons who kill yukkuris, people who like to look at pictures of yukkuri violence and the artists who draw the pictures of yukkuris violence.
People who get bent out of shape over fictional violence depicted against fictional things, but have no problem wishing for actual violence against real people are hypocrites, to say the least.
>>Not really. People do things as bad as this, and even worse, to animals factory raised for food.
Yah but there's a few major differences. Cows are stupid, can't talk, don't appearance to cable of complex thought, and with the exception of Long Horns (and maybe some other breeds i am not familiar with) can't even survive without human assistance.
When I first came on here i was simply raged filled at what I saw because my only prior experiences with yukkuri stuff had for the most been positive. Hell the first yukkuri thing I ever say was this post #1528 after words I did apologize for breaking the rules and since then have tried to keep to them. As for picking fights for the most part intentional. keep in mind though that there weren't really any people to get in fights with except for pro-abuse people around the time I joined.
I didn't tell sun my age simply because of the way he was acting and I felt it honestly didn't matter at the time. 22 American. I do however have a disability which messes with my ability to spell amongst other things. I'd really rather not talk about it though.
I see your point about what tea said... I just don't think it was necessary for him to add the last bit.
Cokerpilot, you gotta consider that Yukkuris regardless of speaking and all, aren't exactly smarter than a cow, as, they pretty much lack many things that average animals have as instinct, like self limitation and awareness of size difference and capacity difference. Do birds attack humans? in general no, unless necessarily or when there is truly a chance to attack like a heavily wounded human in the floor.
There is also the thing that, this very stupidity and lack of important instincts lead to enviromentally unfriendly selfishness, gluttonery and disregard of their "non yukkuri peers".
I honestly can't see a cow ruining the ecosystem, a yukkuri? yeah it's highly probably if we, humans, leave them uncheck, since even big animals may have problems with them if they grow in numbers in their habitats.
So yeah, Yukkuris can speak and show emotions, and a few capacities of making nests and all, but everything else, and what truly matters and may not lead to their usual violence filled existence, is lacking, so proportionally, they may be dumber than a Cow.
Until more active, hard working and good yukkuris prevail and become the majority, that will be the status quo of yukkurihood.
Yukkuri can use and make tools that is a sign of higher level intelligence. Many stories show the normal ones as having self limitation and awareness of size differences. For instance they know not to mess with bears and to only eat enough food to get by during winter. They do seem to suffer problems when it comes to humans though i kind of like the theory from aising a baged yukkuri which is that they seem to think that humans are some form of mutated yukkuri.
The only reason that animals don't ruin the ecosystem is because other animals keep them in check. For instance deer populations have grown to big in the north before and started striping away land because humans had hurt local wolf population to much. I think this is the same problem with yukkuri to many of the predator yukkuri have been killed off and that's what makes yukkuri populations often grow out of control.
But yes the prevalence of bad and/or stupid yukkuri in stories dose leave much to be desired. Stupid ones often die in stories though so maybe it's Darwinism in work.
I highly doubt that the Predator Yukkuri are hunted at all, some may be abused, but it's a understatement that regardless of how dumb Remilias can be or how vicious Flandres can be, humans have a better relationship with them and because of that, they rarely attack them.
If anything the real problem is how low the ammount of predatory species are compared to the ammount of normal yukkuris and their reproductive capacity, technically i only know 3 types that would officially be predators, Remilias, Flandres and Wiggles, everything else is normal or a rare type that acts more like an hermit species beyond anybody's glance, other animals, well, rarely are interested in feeding from bean paste, some may still kill yukkuris for invading territory and all, but, since yukkuris aren't into the majority of the animal's menu, it's not strange that if overwhelmed by numbers animals backoff, even more if a dosu is around, ironically the only predators of yukkuris tend to be the most "edible" ones for proper animal predators, which now that i think about it, may be a good reason for their lower number.
Anyway, about winter, that's pretty much like a the factory, something they have as ancestral memory, it's, the only time on which they do something like rationing, outside of that? they eat everything thye can and if they made the enviroment barren they move on to the next "easy place".
Yukkuris have more self destructive capacities than animals because of their rpg monster status and their "parody of the worse of humanity" origin, you can say that on their majority they are what mankind would be if they were dumb animalistic and didn't have as much self restrain as they had, which, no matter how many times we hate each other, we gotta admit we limit our idioticy quite well.
Of course is that self limitation that may also be our weakness sometimes, for example, some humans may not agree with you and me about exterminating the bad yukkuris and let the good ones frolic after assuring a proper breeding program, claiming that is ammoral, anti nature, etc. while missing the point that Yukkuris aren't exactly natural beings and that their bad aspects tends to be negative for nature itself.
>>Yukkuri can use and make tools...by during winter
Extremely small minority, sadly not the majority. Unusable to judge yukkuri kind as a whole. I'm failing to see why this is pointed out everytime; nobody has said that there aren't any "good" yukkuri. As I said, they're the minority, and if you're judging yukkuris in general, you know that the shitheads and pests are the overwhelming majority.
And another amen to TheodoricBlood's statement. It seems the point implied by the "cows are stupid" business seems to suggest that because yukkuris have complex thought, then treating them the way they are is wrong.
>>for the most part unintentional not intentional
I'm really not buying that, after it was directly laid out to you what you were doing, how others were seeing it, and the kind of reactions you could expect no less than a dozen times. You can't expect star treatment after that, which was all unnecessary.
I never expected star treatment to begin with. So could you kindly drop it tea I am sick of you bitching about what I did when I first got on the site. Yes I trolled yes i broke the rules. Then I found out that there were rules and I stopped. Yet you seam to want to bring it up every chance you get. So please just stop tea.
The rules were right on every page, from pretty much the moment you began posting; after you began reading the comments too, they were posted there, so I'm not buying the fact you didn't know there were rules. As for stopping, well, it'd be nice if you stopped doing the things which cause people to bring it up. Seems you're still doing it, albeit perhaps not on this image. To quote another user: "You keep saying you will stop trolling and you keep telling us you intend to stop."
Tea your the one doing the fucking trolling. He referenced my past. I explained my self and you come out of the blue and attack me. I really am getting sick of you using any chance you can get to pursue what appears to be some sort of personal vendetta against me. I am not trolling anywhere as far as I can tell if have been some one would have already told me I was and told me to stop. As far as I know the closest I have come to trolling has been having some nice meaningful debates with JIE. In which nothing insulting was said and we actually had a rather nice debate/conversation on a couple issues which I enjoyed reading his opinion on.
Exactly, you were the one why brought it up in the first place (those conversations with JIE weren't trolling, but a number of your others were). Isn't really an attack, seeing as it's basically the same sort of reasoning that TheodoricBlood provided. Perhaps you know how annoyed you made everyone else now? As it is, I'm not really interested (neither is anybody else here, I imagine) in getting into another match that just devolves into excuses and ass covering, so you should probably stop,
I try, and usually I don't highlight it any more because it's the same old i'm-going-to-stop. Except here where the actions were actually brought up. It wasn't meant as an attack, but really a comment on what 'side' cokerpilot lies on.
Well, your back and forth just added about 2 pages worth of comments that don't need to be there and has very little relevance to the picture. I don't speak for everybody, but I sure as hell don't want to see it even if the argument is on the tame side. You two are both on the yu-fanfic groups. If you have some problem with each other, take it there and I promise I won't delete the topic. Hell, I'll sticky it for you two.
They suck as pets though, unless you find a way to somehow be able to find which yu is a nicehead and then kill all the others, then you have an extremely small % of their population being used as fancy pats, like 10% or so of yukkuris, the rest just can't be pets, not even dumb but cutesy and well intentioned variant of pets.