Yeah but what I mean by better is having a greater diversity and expression. Dunno if that has to do with practice or just being more creative while making dem yu's.
The detergents & fragrance act on them like recreational drugs like ketamine... I wonder what could happen if one applied natural fragrance like limonene (essential oil of citrus), wintergreen oil (mint), ester solvents (pineapple, banana, pear), hexenal (fresh grass) and else...
Wait, could that be exploited in producing yukkuri-baits? Attractive yukkuri-cide like the insecticides?
heptoct said: Wait, could that be exploited in producing yukkuri-baits? Attractive yukkuri-cide like the insecticides?
Probably, that or combine with the normal detergent and make a "death zone trap" on which yu's are attracted to the smell, but soon cross the place where the normal detergent was laid leading to them getting poisoned.
Though, It's kinda weird, why would detergents affect yu's so much?
Aquatic habitats are usually more fragile than the land environment, or not? What my guess is, aquatic organisms are usually physiologically simpler than land organisms, so they're less resistant to contaminants. Also, the contaminants could get into their bodies rather easily, as they're always (partly) immersed in water. Prolonged exposure = large dosage.
But well, what about the manjuu? And the "aquatic" manjuu?
heptoct said: Aquatic habitats are usually more fragile than the land environment, or not? What my guess is, aquatic organisms are usually physiologically simpler than land organisms, so they're less resistant to contaminants. Also, the contaminants could get into their bodies rather easily, as they're always (partly) immersed in water. Prolonged exposure = large dosage.
But well, what about the manjuu? And the "aquatic" manjuu?
Aquatic organisms are more sensitive to toxins/pollution/contaminants/temperature change than land organisms. Its just rarely reported on because its impossible to experiment/demonstrate on a large scale without fucking up the ecosystem and the masses shrug off small scale experimental data as "fear-mongering" similar to global warming (its real, accept it and deal with it.)
yukiyuzen said: Aquatic organisms are more sensitive to toxins/pollution/contaminants/temperature change than land organisms.
Well I supposed it's easier to be affected because contaminants remain concentrated in open liquid while in open gas/air they disperse (not necessarily any less dangerous but it makes it easier to deal with them), this lead to contact being more recurrent, and that not incluiding "breathing it more" than the land dwellers.
yukiyuzen said: Its just rarely reported on because its impossible to experiment/demonstrate on a large scale without fucking up the ecosystem and the masses shrug off small scale experimental data as "fear-mongering" similar to global warming (its real, accept it and deal with it.)
Dunno where you are from but from where I'm from it's common knowledge that dumping chemicals and similar contaminants on the water = a bitch of epic proportions for everyone, SPECIALLY those living in the water, and we whine a lot about it, if the greedy and rich assholes won't listen and keep dumping chems that's another story.
If anything the weird thing of this "case" is how somehow the "smell" itself is the problem, it's not about contaminants or anything, aka no Mr Dumbo Owner thinking that cleaning the aquarium is to dump detergent or soap on the water with the fishes on, or put the fish on the "cleaned" water later after you "cleaned" the water by mixing it with cleaning chems, just the smell that somehow have some erratic and powerful reactions on them, instead of only an "annoyance".
Of course another question could be what kind of detergent are you using if it somehow keeps a strong odor on the aquarium (disregarding if the smell is pleasant for us) since the usual detergent is only good for cleaning up and take a way the foul smell, but not leaving a strong odor on the crystals. Considering the shape of the brown bottle, I can't help but fear that one of the products in this case is frigging Bleach.
JusticeItEasy said: Dunno where you are from but from where I'm from it's common knowledge that dumping chemicals and similar contaminants on the water = a bitch of epic proportions for everyone, SPECIALLY those living in the water, and we whine a lot about it, if the greedy and rich assholes won't listen and keep dumping chems that's another story.
And yet sewer systems and water cooled power plants are still connected directly into rivers and oceans. Whatever happened to common knowledge?
JusticeItEasy said: If anything the weird thing of this "case" is how somehow the "smell" itself is the problem, it's not about contaminants or anything, aka no Mr Dumbo Owner thinking that cleaning the aquarium is to dump detergent or soap on the water with the fishes on, or put the fish on the "cleaned" water later after you "cleaned" the water by mixing it with cleaning chems, just the smell that somehow have some erratic and powerful reactions on them, instead of only an "annoyance".
The "smell" of most cleaning solutions is on par with a minor skin irritant. To small/sensitive creatures, it would be like an acid gas attack.
yukiyuzen said: And yet sewer systems and water cooled power plants are still connected directly into rivers and oceans.Whatever happened to common knowledge?
Don't assume that people knowing is people succesfully changing it, sometimes people won't do anything, or those in charge of changing it "companies, governments, etc." won't do rat shit about it no matter how much people ask for it.
Check my country's Rio de la Plata for example, DECADES of people demmanding meassures against it's further pollution by the industries near it and for it to be cleaned up, what do we get? hollow promises by politicians and a substandar level of "clean up" action.
JusticeItEasy said: Don't assume that people knowing is people succesfully changing it, sometimes people won't do anything, or those in charge of changing it "companies, governments, etc." won't do rat shit about it no matter how much people ask for it.
Check my country's Rio de la Plata for example, DECADES of people demmanding meassures against it's further pollution by the industries near it and for it to be cleaned up, what do we get? hollow promises by politicians and a substandar level of "clean up" action.
You live in Argentina?
ANYWAY...
I'd believe you if stuff like that didn't happen on a microlevel as well. In the Northeast U.S. its common to use rock salt to break the ice on the roads. The problem: when all the snow is gone, most of that salt goes down the nearest sewer drain (or gets leeched into the dirt).
Its always hard to get the government to change its behavior when the people won't.
JusticeItEasy said: Don't assume that people knowing is people succesfully changing it, sometimes people won't do anything, or those in charge of changing it "companies, governments, etc." won't do rat shit about it no matter how much people ask for it.
Agree. In Hong Kong it has been asked to be updated the standards of air quality for tens of years, yet the government insists "they're doing research on this". Govt take lame measures like asking drivers to shut down the engines while they're waiting, while planning to allow mainland China's vehicles (obviously with no control on their fuels, engines etc.) to drive to HK. Self-contradiction for economical or political reasons. Not to mention the air pollutants from mainland's highly-polluting factories brought to HK by monsoon wind. Damn both govt, it's even worse than that before "return of sovereignty" from colonial ages to PRC.
ANYWAY....
Retained fragrance & detergents need not to be much, perhaps ppm-level will do their jobs (on yukkuris). Y'know, on the Earth there're many people who are allergic to anything and everything, from the common things eggs, peanuts, aspirin, seafoods, nickel (in stainless steel) to weirdest things like mercury (tiny bits in tooth-fillings), MSG, pesticides, artificial sweeteners, plastics, coke or even water. Yukkuris (under this artist) are just intolerant to many things. Those under Warekara and Makako are extremely resistant, which show us stories and rhapsodies different from the reality.
And....
Here's greeting from Hong Kong! (formerly ruled by British, recently unfortunately "colonized" by stupid China and "Hong Kong" govt.)
Frequent application of the detergents can cause even worse consequences. The yukkuris may exhibit various symptoms of poisoning, such as convulsions, eye bulging, constipation, and even corrosion to the shells of the Shell Marisa...... All in all, detergents are a very uneasy thing for them.One must keep in mind that NO detergent should be used. The fragrance of the detergents could cause unpredictable reactions in the yukkuri.
Though researchers have yet come up with a conclusion, experience shows that yukkuri are even more sensitive to detergents than anyone can think of.The hygiene of the aquarium plays an important role in the raising of the yukkuri. A clean environment is essential for the yukkuris to live and grow healthily.The odor of the detergents can annoy the yukkuris and cause anxiety. Sometimes it can put them into excitement and disturb their physiological actions.
See? Under the stimulation of the air freshener, one of them cannot stop shaking its head, while another loses its fecal control.