^That would be nowhere near severe enough. I vote getting as nastily, mind-rapingly karmic as possible. Repeatedly. It'll still be less kick-the-dog than kick-the-son-of-a-bitch.
Sorry to bring an old post up, but those yukkuris seem to be bounty hunters of some kind. In exchange for bringing in the accessories of stray yukkuris, the Alice, Marisa, and Reimu receive food in exchange from humans. As long as they don't harm pet yukkuris, they can do whatever they want to strays. They've assisted in exterminations enough that they've been given copper badges.
Title: This World's Law 1: Yukkuri slaying....! Do you really think you can get away with breaking the herd's laws...? (kopatchouli): hnkyuu! (Marisa): Ze?
2: Marisa: Yuhaaa?? Law? We ain't gotta follow yukkuri laws? Alice: Whatever could you be talking about, you country bumpkin.
3: Even if we followed yukkuri laws, only the weak benefit from it! Taxes, and a Refresh Limit. The powerful and great hunter Marisa got nothing but regret-ze!!! Yukkuri laws are the same as poo-poo! We can take it a lot easier with Mister Human's laws-ze!!
4: (Marisa) Did you know that Mister Human's laws are great-ze? We can do whatever we want as long as we don't touch the pet yukkuris-ze. We can abuse stray yukkuris as much as we want! We can kill them as much as we want! (Reimu) Did you know if we kill lots of stray yukkuris and take their accessories they'll give us mister food? (Alice) With my city-sect peni-peni I can rape little one strays whenever I want! Nhooooo!!!
5: (Marisa) We worked hard to uphold Mister Human's laws and helped in the [Extermination]. Because of that we got Copper Badge-ze. We've succeeded from just being mere strays-ze? (Patchouli) But that's, there's something wrong with that...! (Marisa) Being a sore loser? Oh, pitiful, pitiful.
6: (Reimu) Hey Marisa. Let's hurry up with the [Extermination] and get sweet-sweets from the mister humans. (Marisa) Ufufu. You're right-ze. (Alice) Alice's city-sect peni-peni looks like it can still run wild!
7: (Patchouli) Mukyuu!! Do-Don't come any closer!! (koPatch)Hnkyu! Schwared! (Patchouli) Little one, it'll be alright! Mommy will protect you!
8: [Wasn't able to protect after all.] (Alice) Looking like the Death Metal Mister is very city-sect, little one. (Marisa) If you're going to hate anyone, hate yourself who couldn't understand this world's laws-ze.
I believe this was a one-shot. Sure, the Marisa, Alice, and Reimu aren't very nice. But they're very practical, recognizing that humans are stronger and better than yukkuris, and that they have to live within the laws that humans put down. They're mercenaries, essentially scalping strays for their next meal. It looks like they're operating in some kind of park, so they could be keeping the local urban stray population down.
The thing is, there is no law that dictates that yukkuris should go around hunting innocent strays or anything, one thing is not mating with them, self defense if they are attacked and such, even less that they don't have refresh limit, in fact they are expected to "NOT" refresh at all unless authorized, and let's recall how raping other yukkuris is out of the question for mister humans.
This Copper Badges clearly made up laws out of their arrogant and distorted view, they are no mercenaries, no law enforcers, nada, nothing more than a bunch of delusional manjuus that even if not wild, still don't realize their place and will probalby pay for that.
So if you ask me, unless their owner is a 100% abuser type that saw this ideological warping as a fun idea to use manjuus to abuse manjuus, the owners or mister humans won't reward this copper badges, instead they may kill them and abuse them all while they pathetically cry "WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY?" but humans know the why, long ago they tried to explain the why, but way to many of the manjuus still don't get it.
The "law" in this case doesn't necessarily refer to the written legal code, but rather that these copper badges understand that humans, and whatever their expectations, are more effective than any societal mores that a wild yukkuri herd might have.
There is no indication that these copper badges have an owner; rather, from what they said, they were given the copper badges as rewards for helping in past mass exterminations, and they are paid bounties for proof of cutting down the stray population. Thus, there is no one to care if they rape to death a stray. Humans don't care what happens to strays, as long as their pet yukkuris are not harmed. If a yukkuri will assist in controlling the stray population, and understands its place in relation to humans, then isn't it better to have them around than to get rid of them? Another example of using yukkuris to police other yukkuris by other artists are the Platinum Badge Flandre from the series Yukkuri Family from the City, and the Town Flandre from Neighborhood Yukkuri. For non-Flandre ones, post #19764 has a Chen and Youmu acting as patrol yukkuri who get rid of a stray yukkuri causing trouble.
There is a notorious difference between that Town Flandre and this copper ones, first of all she only attacks those yukkuris bothering humans in a way or other, either making a mess with the trash bags or demmanding food from them, we were shown that she won't kill the yukkuris if they understand the rules of "don't bother mister humans" like the herd of her story did after the "Demostration".
And you are forgetting that unlike the Flandre, this copperbadges are blatlant shitheads, the Flandre killed and enjoyed it our of her predatory nature, but it did it in a professional way and without some arrogant attitude.
You are understimating people's issue with yukkuris, the average joe don't mind nice strays just being there, it's actually yukkuris like the copperbadges the problem, they may awknowledge human's strenght but in the end, they aren't any less shitheads and probably if not pampared or chastized for over doing it they may lash out with their stupid mindsets.
People only pick on the strays for 2 reasons, "shitheads and bothersome" or "growing to many and becoming pest like", yet if the strays are few and not bothersome, then they don't care, and if they had to exterminate them, they would just do it with the same professional approach noraaki's exterminators do.
This shitheads are still the problem, not the solution.
I dunno, a lot of the world's more successful control systems draw their enforcers from the same group of people they're trying to control. By the looks of those badges, it appears they're a-ok with their behavior.
Hell, some governments maintain deathsquads to periodically purge the poorer sections of town. If human beings are okay with doing it to each other, I think humans would be okay with yukkuris doing it to each other.
The Town Flandre didn't go after the rest of the herd because she couldn't be sure that she could get them all, and that making an example of the one family would have to do. There is no indication that she would not have killed them all if she was more confident of being able to wipe them out completely.
You are also making the mistake of applying your own biases and assumptions to what the average person in this comic's setting feels towards yukkuris, as well as any local ordinances that may exist. This may be one of the settings where killing strays is a civic duty and obligation, regardless of how nice the stray may be.
Also, there is no indication in the dialogue whether these copper badges interact with humans at all outside of bringing in accessories to trade for food and in assisting in extermination programs. Nothing is shown about how they act in front of humans, if they work to hide their real personalities behind a facade or not.
I also contend that your assertion that these copper badges are the problem and not a solution is wrong. They are able to hunt down stray yukkuris for minimal cost, and able to do it on a constant basis. They help to counter the stray yukkuri population, since they know not to bother pet yukkuris or their owners, I believe most people won't even pay any attention to them.
You are forgetting that ironically the strays seems to have a "Breeding Limitation" Law which the Copperbadge label as dumb and claim that supposedly mister humans don't apply it to them.
That's the main reason they are the problem and not the solution, they are shitheads, may be working for humans, but they still are shitheads, without the breeding restriction, it won't mean anything how many strays they'll, they'll end up remplacing them with their own kids, which will lead to remplacing, as much, neutral strays with blatlant shithead strays.
So in the end they are part of the problem, not the solution, if anything, yukkuris which such job, should be like the Town Flandre or that Chen and Youmu from the pic you showed us, not this blatlant shitheads.
Indeed. People are willing to turn a blind eye while hired outsiders deal with other outsiders on their behalf.
Forex, Back during the Texas Republic, Texas Rangers hired Tonkawa indians to track down Commanche indians. Among their more endearing traits, the Tonkawas were cannibals, and often enjoyed cutting off and eating a piece of dead Commanche right there in front of the Rangers*.
Humans have long been shown to tolerate taboo behavior in their native allies so long as those behaviors are turned against the target demographic and not them.
*This led to a surreal conversation at a campfire one night, when the Ranger commander offhandedly asked one of the Tonks, hey what was the best tasting person he ever ate? The Tonkawa smiled and said it was a fat German immigrant he had killed about a year earlier. It turns out another German immigrant who had survived that raid was present and shenanigans ensued.
...Oh god, now I'm picturing a Yukkuri control officer making idle chat with the death squad alice as he trades bounties for food while asking her what was the best mamumamu she's ever plundered.
There is no mention that the refresh limit concerns having children. There is no mention of any of the three yukkuris having children of their own. The refresh limit may apply to both limiting the number of children as well as for safety reasons, to protect against being refreshed to death.
We also don't know the terms of the humans tolerating their presence; whether any children would be allowed or not. It is implied that they can refresh as much as they want, as long as they don't go near pet yukkuris, but no mention is made about children at all.
I am not arguing about how shitheaded these yukkuri are; that is self-evident. I am arguing that it doesn't matter, because they serve humans and know that they can only survive and prosper by being subservient.
And i'm arguing that with yukkuris of such attitude doing the job things won't be solved at all, since the refresh limit may be taking as them making little ones without caring, since they seem not even be "pets" from their saying but some sort of "City recognized Strays"
Being shitheads you can expect the worse from them and sooner or later the problem will resurface, this time with more shitheads than neutral or nice strays.
If you use shitheads the "yukkuri task force" thingy they are making will fail, since sooner or later their shitheadness will make them have babies and other shit, so the stray clean up will be in vain since a new population would raise.
Want to do it 100% right? Pick yukkuris like the Flandre, the Chen or the Youmu from the stories you mentioned, they are better candidates to make this plan work. With shitheads it will backfire horribly, it's assured.
Shitheads though they may be, they understand that their existence is dependent on the consent of the humans. If they have any children ( which are not immediately killed ), they would be taught the same as their parents, to serve the humans and hunt the strays.
Yes, using Flandres, Remilias, and well trained Chens and Youmu's would make for a much better task force. But using these three, who already offered their service, is cheaper and easier, and works as a stop-gap measure between the start of a program and when a Flandre could be deployed.
Again, it doesn't matter, and you are turning this argument into what composition of yukkuris would best serve to police other yukkuris, rather than whether these three yukkuris in the comic are part of a sanctioned program or not.
Your original argument was that these are self-deluded copper badges. I believe I have sufficiently explained that your argument is incorrect, and that these are yukkuris who hunt down strays for humans. Whether they are a bad idea, or how well they could carry out their job, is irrelevant to this original argument. Now, is there anything else you'd like to argue?
I still consider them self deluded, but for other reasons i rather not discuss, specially since there is no strong hint that, the benefit, they may really awknowledge human "superiority", i still wonder who would be so jackass to grab shitheads for such "depopulation plan" when usually they are the main target of humanity's hatred and the main source of the problem. =_=
It's like trying to fight Xenomorphs with a slightly mutated brand of xenomorphs, stupid as hell.
If the shitheads keep the stray population down: good. If the shitheads die while fighting strays: good. In either case, nothing of much value is lost. Also, once the shitheads outlive their usefulness, they can be easily disposed of, since they will not run away or hide when a human comes for them.
You are the one hat hadn't thought well your argument, you are expecting shitheads to
1) Awknowledge human superiority and this not be something like average yukkuri clans (aka i'm with them out of benefit but if i can i overthrown them)
2) That their offsprings will be as willing to join as their parents, or that their parents wants them to join, after working with mister humans they'll think they are choosen ones or something (it had happened before) and may even think their kids don't need to abide to the laws.
3) That the "non restrained refreshing" may lead to repopulating the number of strays they killed.
For this to work, you need a trusthworthy and understable yukkuri, not a shithead. A shithead may be more willing to kill but it isn't trusthworthy at all and sooner or later will make the plan backfire either repopulating itself or plainly doing whatever they want.
This won't work with shitheads, since they are always delusional assholes that aim more for benefit, in fact, awnknowledging human's greater capacities is something shitheads don't do, seeing the benefit of "working" with a mister human, that's another story, it's the same attitude they have for joining a herd, "benefit".
Shitheads will make as many manjuus as they kill, and will probably don't care much about the reason of why they have to kill other yukkuris to begin with, for them it's only a source of benefit, they careless if they do their work wrong by refreshing and pumping out koyukkuris like fucking rats.
Maybe the best paralel i could make is the typical "using criminals and prisoners to work for you by killing other criminals giving them benefits and expecting them to awknowledge your leadership and make sure they reduce crime, when they actually do whatever the fuck they want, may kill criminals but also help new ones to raise and such."
It won't work with shitheads, it's assured, they only awknowledge the benefit of the human's proporsal, not the human's prowess and "Or else" situation of humans slaughtering them as well.
I'm realizing we went to far with this discussion, better drop it here, if you want to say something else go ahead NAEaki but i won't go on with it, =A= enough wall of textan for this . . .
1: In the comic they already acknowledged that human laws and rules are superior to yukkuri ones.
2: According to the rules that the Marisa outlined, if their kids don't get badges themselves, then they're to be killed.
3: Why would they allow any non-badged yukkuri to live, when they need to kill them and take the accessories to get food? Any koyukkuri born due to unrestrained refreshing (if they survived the over-refreshing) would likely be killed for their accessories.
You are arguing that shitheads would make for sub-optimal patrol yukkuris. I agree that there are better types for this type of job and higher-quality yukkuris would be better overall. But that has no bearing on the viability of using such low-quality yukkuris as an interim solution until better yukkuris become available.
>I still consider them self deluded, but for other reasons i rather not discuss,
What an interesting turn of events. The yukkuri Biology thread in the Yukkuri Google groups page is a perfect place to post them. Please do, I would really like to know your reasons.
>I'm realizing we went to far with this discussion, better drop it here,
But you've piqued my interest, so I would like to hear your opinions out.
It's not much of discussion worthy, they are shitheads, and i suspect that they don't awknowledge human superiority at all, only the benefit of "working for them" It's basically the same logic they use to stick to a clan, as long as the clan benefit them they'll follow, the first moment the clan becomes "uneasy" like with restrictions or not pampering them, they lash out on them.
That's why i think they still are self deluded fools, outside of that there is no further need of discussing that.