Translated as best I could. Damn Japanese and its disdain for specific subjects, objects, and pronouns! Anything that's in brackets is my assumption rather than something that was explicitly stated.
platina said: Translated as best I could. Damn Japanese and its disdain for specific subjects, objects, and pronouns! Anything that's in brackets is my assumption rather than something that was explicitly stated.
Dont' worry it wasn't the translation, It clearly is the plot, I think it became convulted and confusing, but maybe I just got lost and somebody else does know what's going on?
JusticeItEasy said: It's just me or clever marisa is just becoming way too confusing? And not in the good way.
What do you expect? In this universe, putting on someone else's accessory/clothes magically makes you look like that person. That alone should have told you that the series was going to be a mindfuck.
yukiyuzen said: What do you expect? In this universe, putting on someone else's accessory/clothes magically makes you look like that person. That alone should have told you that the series was going to be a mindfuck.
I think that is is more an exposition of the way that yukkuris see the world. Their whole conception of the world is based upon the accessory. The signifier of the accessory and the signified are inseparable in their minds. What wears the accessory is automatically assumed to be what that accessory signifies.
A better plot pacing? I knew we were for a ride of "masks! masks everywhere! the murderer uses one but also others!" but this is becoming convulsing and confusing.
Maybe It will stop being like this when we get enough pages to develop the whole thing?
Alright, so... 1. The current Boss Marisa is not the 'real' boss - possibly an imitator or an usurper. This may explain why the boss in the flashbacks oppose killing off that retarded koreimu, but this boss killing off many koreimu just to find the killer 2. This Marisa, the one who calls that komarisa it's kid and the one who had the accessory of that ax crazy koreimu, is the 'real' or 'true' Boss Marisa. It had its hat stolen by the current, 'fake' Boss Marisa. The 'fake' Marisa's hat is the one in the infirmary
Well, that's what I managed to guess, even though I see some holes and unexplained stuffs even as I'm writing... maybe the 'true' and 'fake' I mentioned is backwards? And that the 'fake' is actually that other Smart Marisa? This is getting really screwy;; It's almost as bad as that Touhou doujinshi I read where parallel-world Marisa tries to stop Reimu from going ax crazy and perma-killing youkais and eventually blowing up Gensoukyo;;
ArcanaIX said: Alright, so... 1. The current Boss Marisa is not the 'real' boss - possibly an imitator or an usurper. This may explain why the boss in the flashbacks oppose killing off that retarded koreimu, but this boss killing off many koreimu just to find the killer 2. This Marisa, the one who calls that komarisa it's kid and the one who had the accessory of that ax crazy koreimu, is the 'real' or 'true' Boss Marisa. It had its hat stolen by the current, 'fake' Boss Marisa. The 'fake' Marisa's hat is the one in the infirmary
Well, that's what I managed to guess, even though I see some holes and unexplained stuffs even as I'm writing... maybe the 'true' and 'fake' I mentioned is backwards? And that the 'fake' is actually that other Smart Marisa? This is getting really screwy;; It's almost as bad as that Touhou doujinshi I read where parallel-world Marisa tries to stop Reimu from going ax crazy and perma-killing youkais and eventually blowing up Gensoukyo;;
...That's actually a pretty good summary. It makes a lot of sense to me (now that I've calmed down from the goddamn lame deus ex machina--*ahem*.).
In short, current Boss Marisa = Psycho!Marisa (aka. the older "Clever" Marisa with the eyebags).
...Which brings us back to the biggest clue to the truth: the Scout Chen's eyewitness report on Psycho!Koreimu (and possibly the murder of the titular Clever (ko)Marisa's father Marisa) post #35039. Why I'm pointing this out, since it has been established that the true Boss Marisa opposes killing yukkuri, so if Chen was telling the truth, why would the true Boss Marisa attack one of the herd?
I'm still convinced that the chen's trustworthiness is suspect, and modifying my theory, it is possible that the chen knew the truth about the fake Boss Marisa, and is helping out the true boss Marisa in some convoluted plan to force fake Boss Marisa to out itself to the herd (which nearly happened, post #37343 -- in any case, teacher Patchouli is fucked).
JusticeItEasy said: A better plot pacing? I knew we were for a ride of "masks! masks everywhere! the murderer uses one but also others!" but this is becoming convulsing and confusing.
Maybe It will stop being like this when we get enough pages to develop the whole thing?
I actually get the feeling that it's more like the whole introduction of the Clever (ko)Marisa protagonist was a badly executed bait-and-switch move, which really hurt the story in the long run. Shifting the perspective to the clan in general (starting the story with teacher Patchouli's field trip to her class and discovering the dead Reimu in the infirmary and eliminating most of Clever (ko)Marisa's family scenes) would improve the pacing without changing the main plot. (Also, the whole angel!Marisa versus devil!Marisa was totally unnecessary, unless it was meant to illustrate that "Boss Marisa" is not sane, which although a good idea was poorly executed.)
Of course, this might change if Clever (ko)Marisa might have a bigger role in the story, when right now the protagonist's role seems to have ended up with Boss Marisa's little one.
(Incidentally... clever foreshadowing with Boss Marisa's little one's frustration with being ignored by "dad"--since it's now revealed "Boss Marisa" isn't the father after all.)
There's still also the signs of a human's presence, which may or may not be a red herring...
ArcanaIX said: Alright, so... 1. The current Boss Marisa is not the 'real' boss - possibly an imitator or an usurper. This may explain why the boss in the flashbacks oppose killing off that retarded koreimu, but this boss killing off many koreimu just to find the killer 2. This Marisa, the one who calls that komarisa it's kid and the one who had the accessory of that ax crazy koreimu, is the 'real' or 'true' Boss Marisa. It had its hat stolen by the current, 'fake' Boss Marisa. The 'fake' Marisa's hat is the one in the infirmary
See, that would work fine until panel 5.
There's two big problems I see: 1) If Light!Marisa is imitating the boss (and I think the angel/devil figures support that theory), why is it back to its original shape in panel 5? It could be an unconvenient perspective switch, because so far all Yukkuri hat switches were shown with the switchee actually transforming for the reader. 2) Why is Former Boss Marisa killing Yukkuri? I would get a yuing rampage of revenge on Light!Marisa's part, but if it's the former boss, it makes little sense to me. 3) We got Light!Marisa's origin as flashback from Fake Boss Marisa, who refered to "that Marisa". Either Japanese is even more difficult to understand than I thought, or something doesn't make sense.
Ooh... if that was Light!Marisa disguised as the boss (and I'm increasingly inclined to agree that it is), the line "Even if it means lying... I will do whatever it takes to protect the herd... that's why Marisa became the boss!" in post #37673 gets an added significance.
CitizenYu said: See, that would work fine until panel 5. There's two big problems I see: 1) If Light!Marisa is imitating the boss (and I think the angel/devil figures support that theory), why is it back to its original shape in panel 5? It could be an unconvenient perspective switch, because so far all Yukkuri hat switches were shown with the switchee actually transforming for the reader.
In these last few pages, Noraaki has let us see True!Boss's true shape even though she's still wearing the Koreimu ribbon and her kid still sees her as a Koreimu. So now there's precedent for letting the reader see through the disguise.
2) Why is Former Boss Marisa killing Yukkuri? I would get a yuing rampage of revenge on Light!Marisa's part, but if it's the former boss, it makes little sense to me.
...IDK. Maybe Light!Marisa is wrong, and she's blaming Former Boss Marisa out of resentment?
3) We got Light!Marisa's origin as flashback from Fake Boss Marisa, who refered to "that Marisa". Either Japanese is even more difficult to understand than I thought, or something doesn't make sense.
Well, whether post #37971 was Boss!Marisa realizing that Light!Marisa must be the killer (as it initially seemed), or DisguisedasBoss!Light!Marisa realizing that TrueBoss!Marisa must be the killer, she could say "that Marisa" in either case. And initially, the flashback _seemed_ like it was Boss!Marisa's memory, since it starts out following her and showing her thoughts, but as the flashback goes on, you see way more of Light!Marisa's thoughts and resentments and her childhood memory of learning the secret of accessories. So really, the flashback could just be the author's omniscient point of view, or Light!Marisa's POV with an author-cheat red herring at the beginning.
OTOH, after the flashback, we segue to post #39471, where (Fake?)Boss!Marisa decides that "that Marisa" must be the killer, having "come back for revenge." If these are the thoughts of DisguisedasBoss!Light!Marisa, maybe she thinks (rightly or wrongly) that True!Boss!Marisa is killing off members of the herd as revenge for Light!Marisa usurping her place.
No, then that bad smell would...That must be right... That Marisa...Why didn't [I] realize it right away!?Yuuu... Marisa is a fool...The former boss is a yukkuri-killer!That hat will come in handy!Yuyu...!Come to think of it, Marisa's original hat [should be] in the "School Infirmary"......no! [Thinking] about that is [no use] now...That's it! [I?] should have messed up [her] feet so badly, [she] never would have been able to walk again...If [I?] had killed that Marisa after taking off [my? her?] hat...Yu--!
The fun will come after [you] meet her!It's only natural! Because Marisa is [your] father!Marisa will... grow big [and strong]...!Take that! Mister wall!A yukkuri [you] want [me] to meet?There's a yukkuri [I] want little one to meet!Little one! Come with Daddy, okay!Need to change [my] plans a little!But [I] didn't expect to meet little one so soon...Yu...
How do [you] know about that!?Yugu...